Thread: Winner Taps Out, Sporting or No?
5/22/2014 3:09am, #31
Yeah after watching the full fight I have to take about anything positive I had to say. The guy was not in any position where he had to worry about seriously hurting the other guy.Of the single rapier fight between valiant men, having both skill, he that is the best wrestler, or if neither of them can wrestle, the strongest man most commonly kills the other, or leaves him at his mercy.
–George Silver, Paradoxes of Defence
5/22/2014 4:59am, #32
5/22/2014 5:04am, #33You wouldn't quit a football game because you were up by two touchdowns in the first quarter, would you?
5/22/2014 7:43am, #34
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5/22/2014 8:41am, #35
By the way has anybody seen an exhibition fight where it is quite often a miss match?
We have them every now and then where a fighter will pull out and someone else is shoved in last minute so that the guy who has trained his ring off at least gets to be out there.
I have seen them where quality fighters step in against first timers and nobody goes to hospital.Whitsunday Martial Arts Airlie Beach North Queensland.
5/22/2014 8:55am, #36
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It would've been amazing if that guy kicked him right in the face after he tapped.
5/22/2014 9:47am, #37
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I am shocked by how mad this has made me... but let me say, this has made me PRETTY mad. What a fucking douchebag.
First off, this is a fistfight. So long as you're conscious, you aren't completely out. Forrest Griffin came back from having a broken arm. Brock Lesnar recovered from Shane Carwin's beatdown only to win with an arm-triangle. Comebacks happen ALL of the time, and in situations far more dire and one-sided than that one.
Secondly -- and here is my biggest gripe -- the guy who "won" probably spent countless hours preparing for this fight. He deserves his fight. While he was being outclassed on his feet, he could've made a comeback. Especially since dweebs who love to spam jumping spinning kicks usually gas themselves out pretty quick anyhow...
It was SUPER condescending, insulting, and humiliating to decide "oh I'm too good for my opponent, I don't wanna send him to the hospital. Guess I'd better tap." Or, like, don't be a ****-sack and win the fight by decision or something.
Dude thinks he's "too deadly."
I was in that guy's proverbial shorts once. The fight was a complete and TOTAL mismatch. My opponent was a last-minute stand in. It was our respective professional debuts, but our amateur records were lopsided. While I was sporting a respectable 6-1 record, my opponent was 0-7.
At one point, I had my opponent in full mount and I was dropping elbows and he made this gross squeeling sound while gurgling the blood in his throat. I legitimately felt sorry for him at this point, and I didn't want to fight anymore, so I put him in an armbar. To his credit, he didn't want to quit and kept fighting the armbar, despite the arm being extended. I adjusted the arm and put it under my arm pit for more leverage, which eventually convinced him to just tap out.
But make no mistake, as bad as I felt beating on the MMA equivalent of a 12-year old, I'd have snapped his arm like a piece of strawberry pocky because we're in a fucking fight.
5/22/2014 9:48am, #38
My best examples though were a couple of matches with a blind guy back in Texas (20+ years ago, real matchs, not a demos), and a match with a guy who had cerebral palsy, or some other disease that left him partially paralyzed on one side of his upper body.
I treated both guys as if they had no disabilities at all. That was/is the absolutely respectful thing to do. I even arm-barred the one guy on his bad side, because that is what he gave me.
Nobody got hurt, either, and both told me they appreciated the lack of "mercy" on my part.
So, there are better ways to go about it than just giving up.Falling for Judo since 1980
5/22/2014 10:16am, #39
You can always tell when someone has never truly competed.
he has skills on the ground and I would not like to get my face in front of his strikes
I reserve the F-word for people who, say, talks a lot about MMA, but do not compete or even train
I wonder HM, would you call him a ****** to his face?
Oh, and well done guys for turning compasion into a negative trait
Since when did quitting, for no fucking reason, become one of BS.nets ideals?
Since when did quitting, for no fucking reason, become compassion?
Quiting and getting out of the ring would be a viable argument for compassion. Holding up the winner's hand, robbing him of the fighting experience, implying the ref wasn't doing his job in interviews and ASSUMING he couldn't defend himself further has zero to do with compassion or BS.net ideals.
5/22/2014 10:30am, #40
Yep, my bad on the 'compassion' thing. I prematurely judged the fight on the first vid in the OP. At that time assuming (wrongly) there was little more to it. Even if it were compassion (it wasn't) it was not sporting.