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  1. mike321 is online now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Grappler View Post
    And my doctor said to cease all physical training and exertion until the orthopedic has diagnosed me.

    Pretty standard 'cover my ass for liability' diagnosis if you ask me.
    Do you have any evidence to support this? I think you may be rationalizing.


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    You should give your doctor some credit here. In this case, he is telling you to stop training because there is no doubt that you have some actual damage to your neck causing compression of a nerve. This is NOT something you want to ignore, it is NOT something that responds well to high-load training and it IS something that you can aggravate to the point where you lose general muscle function in your arm if you stress your neck too much.

    You seem to want to be told "yeah, go ahead and train, nothing bad will come of it!" Neither I nor any halfway competent health care professional will be willing to do this. Because at present, your disc problem doesn't sound too bad, but it really only takes one more noob yanking hard on your neck to cause that disc to herniate completely, at which point you're looking at possible surgery and a year out of grappling training plus rehab.

    Stop training for now. Get your MRI done. Take your specialists advice on whether to get rehab or, if you're very unlucky, surgery.

    And as much as I know it sucks, you are in absolutely no shape to compete either. You WILL get back to training at high intensity again, but you are currently not just injured, you are DAMAGED, and damage to your disc needs to be correctly diagnosed and healed up before you should even think about grappling again. Lots of high-level athletes have suffered disc herniations without ending their careers, but they were smart about it and took the time out of training. If you do not, the worst case scenario is an end to your grappling career, period.
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    The argument "I have a herniated disc" may carry some weight here. This is not you being a pussyqueer, it's you needing to take time out or face possibly long-term disability.

    The argument "I have a herniated disc" may carry some weight here. This is not you being a pussyqueer, it's you needing to take time out or face possibly long-term disability.
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    Training thru injury?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Grappler View Post
    I can't just put my jitsu on hold, since I've already paid registration on one of the competitions.
    What was the entry fee, a million bucks or something? Your health is worth more than $50 or whatever it was.

    People bail on competitions all the time due to training injuries. It's the smart thing to do; don't be an idiot.
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    Registration was $110, for two divisions, and I'm waiting to hear back about that refund. Comp is in 2 weeks, so still pretty early.

    I've told my training partner I'm injured and won't be able to roll for the time being. I've still not told my instructors, but plan to. And I still plan to go to class and do the drills, but going to stop all rolling.

    I just got a brand new gi in the other day, and it needs shown off!
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    Sorry, but even drilling is going to strain the disc. Not neccessarily to the point where you risk permanent disability but certainly prolonging your recovery time by a significant amount and keeping you from operating at peak efficiency.

    Put it like this: every day you train injured adds a day of recovery from your injury. So you can make the choice between resting now and being fit to train at full speed in a couple of months or continuing to train and MAYBE being pain free in a year, your progress as a grappler having been hurt far more by you not being able to train efficiently or spar at full speed than if you'd simply taken a bit of time off.

    Professional athletes do not train with larger injuries. Not because they couldn't work through the pain but because they need to be in perfect condition to be competitive. Failure to do so shortens careers. Look at Bas Rutten, whose training regime was so olskool and hardcore that he can presently not walk down stairs without severe knee pain. Don't be that guy.

    I'd work on cardio and lower body strength instead of grappling in this case.
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    I'm going to have to file a hurt feelings report if this is the case.
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    Them's the breaks, I'm afraid. What you have sounds almost certain to be a disc herniation based on what you tell me and discs are fragile things once injured. They DO heal, but it can take a long time for it to happen, usually 3-12 months depending on the severity.

    I would really recommend you to consult somebody who knows about McKenzie procedures, by the way. It's kind of the first line of treatment for disc problems and my patients tend to benefit tremendously from it. But most of anything, you need to get patient.
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    Sorry, but even drilling is going to strain the disc. Not neccessarily to the point where you risk permanent disability but certainly prolonging your recovery time by a significant amount and keeping you from operating at peak efficiency.

    Put it like this: every day you train injured adds a day of recovery from your injury. So you can make the choice between resting now and being fit to train at full speed in a couple of months or continuing to train and MAYBE being pain free in a year, your progress as a grappler having been hurt far more by you not being able to train efficiently or spar at full speed than if you'd simply taken a bit of time off.

    Professional athletes do not train with larger injuries. Not because they couldn't work through the pain but because they need to be in perfect condition to be competitive. Failure to do so shortens careers. Look at Bas Rutten, whose training regime was so olskool and hardcore that he can presently not walk down stairs without severe knee pain. Don't be that guy.

    I'd work on cardio and lower body strength instead of grappling in this case.
    Bas also has lost an incredible amount of muscle mass and use of one of his arms as much more than a bony club thanks to a severely pinched nerve in his neck/shoulder (I believe he was slammed on his neck) from a decade or two ago. He has had multiple surgeries and has been flying back and forth to Europe to get experimental treatments to try and relieve the issue and regain proper function in his arm. THAT is the potential result of ignoring a neck injury in the long term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Grappler View Post
    I know the 'logical' thing would be to listen to my doctor, but he's just general practice and that's the default answer for law suit purposes. I have 2 competitions coming up in the next 5 weeks, and I'm terrified of ceasing all training.

    Seriouly, I in vision myself having to start from scratch if I miss a few weeks of training.
    You're not training right up to the competition are you?

    With only 5 weeks to go you might want to listen to your doctor and just rehabilitate, at best you might go into competition injured (which significantly decreases your chance of doing well), and at worst, you're going to have a training and possibly comp career ending injury.

    Don't mess around with your spine and neck. Some of those injuries are irreversible.
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