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    Quote Originally Posted by blackmonk View Post
    Ok, so now I am making excellent chest contact, but I don't feel like uke is loaded up on me properly.

    Would this imply that I need more pull? It is particularly a problem with opponents that are taller, or have longer femur length. My inseam is literally just over 24", and I'm 5'7", so I'm a stocky little bastard.
    Difficult to say without seeing more video, which I know you're working on.

    One thing I would say is that I've yet to meet anyone whose problem was that they weren't physically pulling enough for kuzushi, with any technique, so I would suspect that isn't your problem.

    At a guess I would suspect the issue is that once chest contact is established and you're load bearing uke, that you're then going for a big sweep upwards with your attacking leg.

    If so, then I suspect what is happening is you're starting to bend at the waist which suddenly makes uke way heavier as you're no longer optimally distributing the weight across your torso.

    Focus on trying to complete the technique by turning your upper body, note not by pulling and driving with the arms, although don't let go of uke. Rather turn your torso to complete the throw and don't worry so much about what your leg is doing.

    Using the video judorat referrenced at about 00:38-00:42



    Note how much upper body turn Inoue has completed while his own leg is barely off the ground and note how there's no going back for uke





    Note how with uke basically thrown he has rotated his body nearly to be parallel with the mat, but his leg is still pretty low down





    With uke completely thrown his leg is still relatively low





    It's only after uke has hit the mat that he does a flick with his ankle, which makes it look like he's done a huge sweep with his leg, when in reality it's been doing reatively little work through much of the technique.

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    Good analysis. I will work on it some more this week. Did a few today, but nothing of note.

    I was hitting o goshi during randori today, for the most part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackmonk View Post
    Ok, so now I am making excellent chest contact, but I don't feel like uke is loaded up on me properly.

    Would this imply that I need more pull? It is particularly a problem with opponents that are taller, or have longer femur length. My inseam is literally just over 24", and I'm 5'7", so I'm a stocky little bastard.
    I'm 5'7" with shortish legs, more like 28-29" inseam..24" must be some sort of world record.

    For taller uke, I tend do more of a koshi waza uchi mata, although if I can get then bent enough the more normal type will work OK. On taller guys, I often feel that uke is rotating around my outside hip or top of my buttock. Not much leg action in that one at all.

    If you have chest contact and it's slipping, it's not your lack of pull, which as judoka_UK notes is not usually the problem.
    1.) If you don't hold uke to you tightly, you will lose control. Lock your hikite to your chest. I like to put my left hand by my left armpit or thereabouts. As soon as uke is tipped and you have the chest contact, pulling is kind of moot, but control by locking uke to you with your hand/arms and body positioning is critical.

    2.) There is still the issue of leaning back a bit to facilitate "loading " uke onto you. In reality, there are different way to do Uchi Mata, some that rely more on the "bending your back" action, others that use it less or not at all.

    Judoka_UK gave an excellent analysis as well,I see that you looked it over. Sounds like you are making good progress !
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackmonk View Post
    Good analysis. I will work on it some more this week. Did a few today, but nothing of note.

    I was hitting o goshi during randori today, for the most part.
    What type of entry were you using ?
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    For o goshi? I honestly can't fully describe it yet, as it is still in its nascent stages. I'm starting to get the underhook by using the armpit grips in Mongolian wrestling.

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    I was being a little hyperbolic about the length of my inseam, but yeah, it's short. I think 26", if I'm being exact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackmonk View Post
    For o goshi? I honestly can't fully describe it yet, as it is still in its nascent stages. I'm starting to get the underhook by using the armpit grips in Mongolian wrestling.
    Cool, makes sense that you would be starting from something besides sleeve and lapel.
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