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    Here is a great Swain Video watch 18 secconds to 33 it is suttle but the attacking leg stays behind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoratt View Post
    So many judoka try to bend at the waist almost like a bad ogoshi. If you can leave the attacking leg behind " how many times have I said that" and contact from the hip to arm pit at the same time pulling uke to you you are there done deal don't worry about anything else it is all natural from there.
    Yeah, I can't decide if it's a natural thing to bend at the waist and close the chest to apply force or what. It seems to me it's a combination of natural and then not corrected by coaches, especially in little kids. I see it so much, even at provincial level training camps, so part of it is it's just not corrected from the beginning. Maybe too much seoi nage/otoshi work ?

    Anyway, getting OT...
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoratt View Post
    Here is a Inoue uchimata video notice how the attacking leg is the last to touch uke very simple and basic. There is also a Swain video that is also very basic but solid I will try to find .


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    This brings up a related issue. In learning ashi waza, most of the time too much focus is on the "ashi" part and not the rest of the technique. For example, in Kouchi Gari, everybody focuses on the action of the foot, and misses the rest of the throw. To me, the foot/leg is the finisher, the insurance so to speak. Even in some aikido techniques I can see where the foot action of Judo would work if you missed on some aspect of the throw.

    Anyway, your comment on Inoue Uchi Mata is in that category of concept. Many focus on the "thigh hit" aspect, and in fact in some variations that may be a bigger aspect of the throw.
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    I did some more work on uchi mata yesterday, and making chest contact was a little easier with the traditional entry. I have to throw left because of my shitty knees, so left-on-left was kinesthetically strange, since I'm almost always left-on-right.

    It was difficult to get the chest contact unless I lifted the tsurite elbow high, rather than keeping it lower and pocketed.

    I hit one uchi mata during randori, but we were using Mongolian wrestling jackets, so I had to do it from a high back grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackmonk View Post
    I did some more work on uchi mata yesterday, and making chest contact was a little easier with the traditional entry. I have to throw left because of my shitty knees, so left-on-left was kinesthetically strange, since I'm almost always left-on-right.

    It was difficult to get the chest contact unless I lifted the tsurite elbow high, rather than keeping it lower and pocketed.

    I hit one uchi mata during randori, but we were using Mongolian wrestling jackets, so I had to do it from a high back grip.

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    You may need to flare the elbow a bit for sure. I do, it's related to shoulder mobility. Taking a higher lapel grip can help as well, say, at least collar bone level on uke. With My right shoulder so bad, I usually have to take a high collar grip, which facilitates the chest contact to some degree.

    For aiyotsu (left on left), if uke stands square it makes it a bit easier at first to get the positioning...takes out one variable. You have to step across a bit more when uke is in the offset stance.

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    I'll try to get some more video tonight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoratt View Post
    Here is a Inoue uchimata video notice how the attacking leg is the last to touch uke very simple and basic. There is also a Swain video that is also very basic but solid I will try to find .


    www.tube.com/watch?v=dAkTChZi7WAyou

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    For those wondering why those links take you to a porn hosting site with a "Video not found error", it's because somehow the www.youtube.com bit has been changed to "www.tube.com" with "you" bit put at the end of the url.

    This is the video that it should go to, if the "you" in youtube hadn't been flipped to the end.

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    Ok, so now I am making excellent chest contact, but I don't feel like uke is loaded up on me properly.

    Would this imply that I need more pull? It is particularly a problem with opponents that are taller, or have longer femur length. My inseam is literally just over 24", and I'm 5'7", so I'm a stocky little bastard.
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