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    Quote Originally Posted by blackmonk View Post
    Uchi mata has never been my thing, either. That's why I wanted it to be picked apart here. Kata guruma, yoko otoshi, te guruma... Those have historically been my throws, although ura nage is my highest % throw in judo comp.

    I won't be competing for a while, but I'm helping two other players at the club get ready for sambo Pan-Ams in Trinidad. They're both sooo good. I hope they do well.

    I am leaving next week for Cyprus, though, to be certified as an international referee for sambo. Although I will continue to compete until my limbs fall off, I'm old enough now where I'm considering other roles in the sport (such as refereeing), trying to coach as best as possible, and when I do compete, it's at whatever weight I'm walking around at. Maybe I'll be like the Azerbaijani judoka and come in for 81kg at 5'7", LOL.
    If you like eating and lifting weights, I'd say go for it! Just work on dealing with divebombing hcg and over the back gripping attacks...
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    On the topic of getting sick before comps, though, that happens to me almost every time. And I always get a little under-the-weather after long plane rides back to the States.
    Plane rides haven't' bothered me much in terms of getting ill. I think basically I had over-trained (I had to be really strict with my diet to make -65 kg), and it caught up with me (immune system weakened). I didn't travel overseas to compete, though, like you do.

    Refereeing is good, I phased into it more heavily as I got out of grad school and started working. At times though there is a conflict between coaching and reffing (in Judo at least), especially once I got to national level (not there now, it's been years and years ago).
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    If you like eating and lifting weights, I'd say go for it! Just work on dealing with divebombing hcg and over the back gripping attacks...
    My main training partner is a near-master at over-the-back grips. He only has a couple of years in the sport, and routinely dismantles good black belts with it (as a green belt, for whatever that matters). I think a lot of people are just unfamiliar with how to deal with those sort of attacks, especially if you have always been told (as all the local judo BBs I know have been) that it is improper technique to block the incoming hip with your hand or shoulder. There's a whole sport based on that concept called belt wrestling. One particularly pompous local BB told me that a hand "will not stop committed hips", to which I responded with a belt wrestling video.

    I have learned to deal with HCG and over-the-back grips with a tight underhook grip around the waist, from which I hip-fight and fairly regularly hit a diving o goshi, or I very strategically play my in-bounds/out-of-bounds game, haha.

    Refereeing for sambo won't conflict too much, because 95% of the tournaments I work will be overseas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackmonk View Post
    My main training partner is a near-master at over-the-back grips. He only has a couple of years in the sport, and routinely dismantles good black belts with it (as a green belt, for whatever that matters). I think a lot of people are just unfamiliar with how to deal with those sort of attacks, especially if you have always been told (as all the local judo BBs I know have been) that it is improper technique to block the incoming hip with your hand or shoulder. There's a whole sport based on that concept called belt wrestling. One particularly pompous local BB told me that a hand "will not stop committed hips", to which I responded with a belt wrestling video.
    I'm always amazed to hear about someone with 2 years in the sport (I'm assuming sambo/judo? to be a near-master at anything. Did he/she have previous experience in belt or other style of wrestling? 30 years of Judo and I haven't mastered the sleeve and lapel grip, LOl !

    I can understand people getting dismantled by it though. In Judo, specialists in over the back (to belt or otherwise), especially tall ones (and they were usually taller) used to be one of the most difficult and hated style of gripping with which I dealt. Being only 5'7" myself, I was often (usually) a bit shorter than my training partners or opponents in shiai. When I competed regularly, those sorts of grips were legal, but were gradually phased out. They've always been considered by a lot of judoka as "imporoper/not proper" judo in any case, regardless of the IJF rules in place.

    Putting hand or shoulder on hip is now verboten in judo (IJF rules) shiai, but the over the back grip/cross grips are highly restricted as well, as you know. As far as it not stopping "committed hips", well, depends on the exact situation, whose hips and how committed they are, as well as how bad a position uke is in when the attack is initiated.

    Send me a PM with the BB's name, I might know him/her, as I am from Wichita Falls and did Judo in Texas extensively for about 6 years before moving to Louisiana.

    Quote Originally Posted by blackmonk View Post
    I have learned to deal with HCG and over-the-back grips with a tight underhook grip around the waist, from which I hip-fight and fairly regularly hit a diving o goshi, or I very strategically play my in-bounds/out-of-bounds game, haha.
    That's OK in Sambo, in Judo rules get in the way, and have for a long time, as you know once again. In Judo, I always avoided ceding sleeve control, or blocked their cross grip to my lapel (usually the prelude to a diving HCG/OTB grip attack), and of course worked to control/block/parry (and attack) the incoming bomb-arm. Funnily, Kata Guruma was one of the throws I had OK success with, although I never practiced it except in Nage No Kata. Tall skinny guys who bend in the middle like a worm were the worst to deal with.



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    Refereeing for sambo won't conflict too much, because 95% of the tournaments I work will be overseas.
    That's good to hear. Judo reffing gets pretty political pretty darned fast, being out of the USA should help, plus it being sambo not Judo, LOL !
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    I'm always amazed to hear about someone with 2 years in the sport (I'm assuming sambo/judo? to be a near-master at anything. Did he/she have previous experience in belt or other style of wrestling? 30 years of Judo and I haven't mastered the sleeve and lapel grip, LOl !
    He had some previous experience in BJJ and MMA. Has done some sumo, as well. I, of course, use the word "master" loosely, but just to emphasize how goddamn good he is at it. I use the words sambo and judo almost interchangeably, because there's so much crossover between the sports. In fact, most of the places I have trained overseas make little distinction between the two.

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    That's OK in Sambo, in Judo rules get in the way, and have for a long time, as you know once again. In Judo, I always avoided ceding sleeve control, or blocked their cross grip to my lapel (usually the prelude to a diving HCG/OTB grip attack), and of course worked to control/block/parry (and attack) the incoming bomb-arm. Funnily, Kata Guruma was one of the throws I had OK success with, although I never practiced it except in Nage No Kata. Tall skinny guys who bend in the middle like a worm were the worst to deal with.
    Sleeve control is a big part of my game, as the guy that is usually shorter. When I go for the deep underhook around the waist, I try to never let my opponent capture my sleeve at the elbow or above, if at all. I'm a lefty, so this is typically kenka yotsu, of course. Conversely, if I am able to capture their other sleeve at the elbow or above, then the o goshi for me is imminent, provided I win the hip-fight, which I have become rather adept at doing. Lately, I have noticed that the o goshi is more high-percentage if I get their shoulder or collar on that side, because it helps me force their head down. A good, strong guy with good body-awareness can sometimes muscle out of the o goshi if they are able to keep a neutral head position, even if their arm and hip is slightly off-balance.

    I also play sleeve grips at the wrist a lot, which helps me combat bombing HCG attacks. This kid Wade's OTB grip is so nasty and aggressive that he has given me a couple of flash knockouts with it, as he sort of clubs it across your jaw and head. I've seen a couple of people melt when he gets that grip in competition, because it's like taking a really, really hard punch. I'll grab it as it comes in with two hands, and then usually switch to a 2-on-1, where I have the ability to move heavier and taller opponents. From there, kata guruma(s) galore.
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    He had some previous experience in BJJ and MMA. Has done some sumo, as well. I, of course, use the word "master" loosely, but just to emphasize how goddamn good he is at it. I use the words sambo and judo almost interchangeably, because there's so much crossover between the sports. In fact, most of the places I have trained overseas make little distinction between the two.



    Sleeve control is a big part of my game, as the guy that is usually shorter. When I go for the deep underhook around the waist, I try to never let my opponent capture my sleeve at the elbow or above, if at all. I'm a lefty, so this is typically kenka yotsu, of course. Conversely, if I am able to capture their other sleeve at the elbow or above, then the o goshi for me is imminent, provided I win the hip-fight, which I have become rather adept at doing. Lately, I have noticed that the o goshi is more high-percentage if I get their shoulder or collar on that side, because it helps me force their head down. A good, strong guy with good body-awareness can sometimes muscle out of the o goshi if they are able to keep a neutral head position, even if their arm and hip is slightly off-balance.

    I also play sleeve grips at the wrist a lot, which helps me combat bombing HCG attacks. This kid Wade's OTB grip is so nasty and aggressive that he has given me a couple of flash knockouts with it, as he sort of clubs it across your jaw and head. I've seen a couple of people melt when he gets that grip in competition, because it's like taking a really, really hard punch. I'll grab it as it comes in with two hands, and then usually switch to a 2-on-1, where I have the ability to move heavier and taller opponents. From there, kata guruma(s) galore.
    You know, that sort of "almost knocking you out" **** with the HcG bomb used to really, really piss me off. In fact, it still does. How can you resist the urge to do some dirty judo/sambo of your own in response ? I never minded hard grip fighting and aggression, but the thinly veiled atemi-as-gripping attack is just plain annoying and rude.

    Catching the incoming hand into a 2 on 1 was my bread and butter for dealing with that sort of thing, as well as trying to adjust angles and get in an attack off the grip first to upset their rhythm. Truth is though, experts at that sort of gripping have seen most of the normal counter and tactics so it get tough.

    I had one guy at the club at Tulane University for a while. He was 6' tall, but fought in the then -71 kg division. He was so tall and wiry it was crazy...he bent in the middle like a worm or semi-cooked piece of spaghetti, which made doing any sort of Seoi Nage on him an exercise in frustration. He had been trained by a former German olympic team member in all places Tennessee, who was an expert on over the back/sambo/russian style of Judo, complete with the attack sequence of ouchi/Khabarelli/Sasae etc et al. The kids could not do much other Judo than that, but he was VERY good at it. We had some incredible battles at practice while he was training for Nationals etc. CAtching the bomb HCG/OTB grip was what I had to do, LOL.

    I killed him in ne waza, though, LOL. But that wasn't unusual back then.

    As my style of judo sounds considerably different than yours, I rarely got into hip-fights. Small and fast -65 kg judoka usually got into Seoi Otoshi wars, LOL, not hip fights. Although I have seen quite a few of those types of hip throw battles, even quite recently in Canada.
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    It isn't intentional, per se, but he doesn't take care to prevent it from happening, either. He is so singularly-minded during randori and shiai that it just happens. For me, if anything, it slaps me awake and reminds me not to be a lazyass.

    Re: the hip fighting, I would have never thought I should hip fight, especially since ai have shitty knees and don't feel comfortable being close. However, my Israeli coach said that hip fighting should be my thing, because of my hip/leg and trunk musculature. It got me thrown a whole shitload at first, and in very painful ways, but lo and behold, it started working eventually. He definitely saw something in me that I didn't.

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    It isn't intentional, per se, but he doesn't take care to prevent it from happening, either. He is so singularly-minded during randori and shiai that it just happens. For me, if anything, it slaps me awake and reminds me not to be a lazyass.

    Re: the hip fighting, I would have never thought I should hip fight, especially since ai have shitty knees and don't feel comfortable being close. However, my Israeli coach said that hip fighting should be my thing, because of my hip/leg and trunk musculature. It got me thrown a whole shitload at first, and in very painful ways, but lo and behold, it started working eventually. He definitely saw something in me that I didn't.

    "You hafv good legs, use your heeps. Very strrong."
    At least you listened. I've had similarly themed conversations with many students, I'd say it's 50/50 as to my advice being followed, or at least followed through to get good results. Usually the more dedication and time and pain the advice would take, the less it was followed.
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    LOL, yeah. Admittedly, I didn't follow the advice at first. And I've taken some incredibly painful falls doing it... flash knockouts, smashed up ribs, even a liver-shot KO, but the results are there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackmonk View Post
    It isn't intentional, per se, but he doesn't take care to prevent it from happening, either. He is so singularly-minded during randori and shiai that it just happens. For me, if anything, it slaps me awake and reminds me not to be a lazyass.

    Re: the hip fighting, I would have never thought I should hip fight, especially since ai have shitty knees and don't feel comfortable being close. However, my Israeli coach said that hip fighting should be my thing, because of my hip/leg and trunk musculature. It got me thrown a whole shitload at first, and in very painful ways, but lo and behold, it started working eventually. He definitely saw something in me that I didn't.

    "You hafv good legs, use your heeps. Very strrong."
    Well, I'm surprised someone hasn't returned the favor. On the other hand, the guy may just not care one way or the other.
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