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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    No but shutting down Royler's Knee slide pass with a quarter/half guard is pretty damn exciting. Then to move from that into a dominate position was pretty damn good as well.
    So was the nasty leg lock.
    Yeah, not passing the guard is super fucking exciting. How could I contain myself?
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    Yeah, not passing the guard is super fucking exciting. How could I contain myself?
    Do you want me to tell you again?
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    You must have hated Rafa vs Clark Devil. I personally found Rafa's smooth repeated berimbolo attempts to be extremely impressive. Not my game, to be sure, I don't even berimbolo, bro, but impressive none-the-less.
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    Keep in mind Roussimar Toquino Palharres repeatedly enters half guard to set up his leg lock attempts with which he's won nearly every MMA fight he's had.

    Ultimately Eddie ended up doing the same thing. He just went for it in a different way. I think pulling guard is a risky move, but if you are fighting someone who you can't take down and you can't stand with safely what do you suggest you do?

    Try to outwrestle a superior takedown specialist? That's my game personally, I enjoy the challenge of taking on better wrestlers, but it usually ends up with me getting taken down and losing 2 points. The people who often times beat these guys are the ones who pull guard and negate the takedown and work effectively from their back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wingchunx2z View Post
    Keep in mind Roussimar Toquino Palharres repeatedly enters half guard to set up his leg lock attempts with which he's won nearly every MMA fight he's had.

    Ultimately Eddie ended up doing the same thing. He just went for it in a different way. I think pulling guard is a risky move, but if you are fighting someone who you can't take down and you can't stand with safely what do you suggest you do?

    Try to outwrestle a superior takedown specialist? That's my game personally, I enjoy the challenge of taking on better wrestlers, but it usually ends up with me getting taken down and losing 2 points. The people who often times beat these guys are the ones who pull guard and negate the takedown and work effectively from their back.

    Sorry to go off-topic, but just out of curiosity, are you only doing Wing Chun at present, or are you studying any committed grappling styles?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKRhino View Post
    I've had an opportunity to ask a couple "higher" level folks (specifically two different brazilians which is totally a statistically relevant population) about Eddie and his style. Both of them said essentially, they didn't like Eddie's mouth. Neither of them said they didn't think Eddie's style had any merit.

    I like Eddie's style, I like his half guard game, I like the concept of the rubber guard, and if we'd had a hot box years ago when my style was still coming together, it likely would have become a significant part of my game, as opposed to something I played with, with varying success, and then sort of abandoned because I had no one around who could help me trouble shoot it. As it is my style has become far more open guard, whereas his is heavily a clinch game. Given a choice I'd go to DLR before RG, but ONLY because that is what I find to be more fun to do. Something about nailing a sweep from DLR I enjoy.

    Anyway, I can see how Ralek might be irritated at what Eddie's been saying. I can also see how this whole thing is really dumb.

    I had the pleasure to meet Eddie at a seminar around a year ago. Nice guy, but while the half guard entry and sweep he taught was fine (He taught Quarter Guard to Lockdown to Old School Sweep). That is all we did for 3 hours. It wasn't like we drilled it ad nauseum. He just talked soooooo much and about the most random ass stuff that we really spent 2/3 of the seminar listening him talk. I don't think I would waste my money to train with him again.
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    I think this thread is turning into the classical Jiu Jitsu for fighting vs Jiu Jitsu for sport argument that has been rehashed quite a few times. At the end of the day you can’t judge a competitor outside the rules of the competition. For example Kennan bailed from side control (a great fighting position when punches are allowed) for 50/50. Why? Because it was a submission only match, the positions and points didn’t matter and he felt getting the Inverted Heel Hook had a higher percentage than fishing out an arm against a Rickson Black Belt. Again, this is submission only, so Eddie pulled Half Guard, his go to position. He was looking for that Electric Chair the entire match. Honestly, I rather of see that than a terrible wrestling match (most Jiu Jitsu guys have terrible wrestling), remember ADCC 2013 Mendes vs Cobrinha? We got 30 mins of terrible wrestling instead of top level Jiu Jitsu because of the -1 point for guard pulling. These guys are top level competitors, when the rules change, they come up with the best strategy for it. In MMA, these are the same people that will takedown and finish the choke in the 1st round. Ryan Hall being a great example.
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    The half-guard debate reminds of old school Pancrase, when fighters like Bas Rutten used to be comfortable under mount because they couldn't be punched. Truth be told, any combat sport is going to have a few strategies and tactics that only work under a specific ruleset. A lot of the defensive maneuvers you can get away with in boxing would be an invitation for a knee in MMA. A great, great deal of the matwork in wrestling has no application in a real fight. In Kyokushin, you an get away with things like Do Mawashi-kaiten-geri:



    In the street, I think pulling half-guard would earn you some style points. Even better if you pulled mount. Pull mount, instant sweep, BAM! Your opponent had all the opportunity in the world to finish you, but you're just that much better. Elbow drop for good measure.

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