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    Okay, what is you EXACT training with short power? What you are describing is not anything I have ever experienced concerning this term. BL's one inch punch demo is a terrible example.

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    That's why i mentioned the definition if the term. Originally i was replying to short power as a more refined movement that comes with experience. But there's also the more complicated fajing, explosive style movements that don't require a wind up or chamber, in which case it think the one inch punch is an example that everyone will be familiar with, maybe not the best example but something to give an idea of other possible meanings for short power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jspeedy View Post
    I train Balintawak Arnis, I've never trained Illustrissimo but the motions you describe sound similar to our power generation, pivot on the balls of the feet, torque the hips, follow with the shoulder, than elbow, and finish with a pump of the wrist . I tell guys to hit with the earth, not their arm. Other systems emphasize more of a snapping motion of the wrist or dropping and planting weight to generate force, some don't seem to give it much thought, they just hit ****.
    Hello jspeedy,

    This sounds interesting, in my previous Krabi Krabong and my present La Canne training, the power generation came for 99% from "Boxing style" pivoting/rotation technique and the other 1% came from dropstep and jump-landing.

    I always thought that FMA used the same principles, but if I'm understanding your comment correctly, most FMA styles are more dropstep orientated. Am I correct?
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    If i understand correctly by doorstep you mean, dropping weight for power generation. I wouldn't say most styles use this method. I would be hesitant to say any one method is most common. In my limited experience it seems it was more common to simply strike with the arm without an emphasis on torque our dropping weight. But I'm hardly qualified to speak on this. I was mainly just touching on different ways FMA players generate power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jspeedy View Post
    If i understand correctly by doorstep you mean, dropping weight for power generation. I wouldn't say most styles use this method. I would be hesitant to say any one method is most common. In my limited experience it seems it was more common to simply strike with the arm without an emphasis on torque our dropping weight. But I'm hardly qualified to speak on this. I was mainly just touching on different ways FMA players generate power.
    ah, ok.
    I understand. in La Canne there's no 'just swinging' to generate power or speed in a dedicated strike. Doesn't mean that we don't swing our canne and bäton round, but that's between strikes as a diversion so that the opponent can't focus on a stationary stick.
    Blocks can be done with just arm movements, but than we 'lock' for a second our arm to resist the opponents strike impact (we are talking about parts of seconds that we lock).
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    Quote Originally Posted by jspeedy View Post
    That's why i mentioned the definition if the term. Originally i was replying to short power as a more refined movement that comes with experience.
    This is Fajing. Contrary to rampant mysticism, which you have been exposed to, this is the end result.
    the one inch punch is an example that everyone will be familiar with, maybe not the best example but something to give an idea of other possible meanings for short power.

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    Another thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jspeedy View Post
    That's why i mentioned the definition if the term. Originally i was replying to short power as a more refined movement that comes with experience. But there's also the more complicated fajing, explosive style movements that don't require a wind up or chamber, in which case it think the one inch punch is an example that everyone will be familiar with, maybe not the best example but something to give an idea of other possible meanings for short power.
    To 'fajing' simply means to release a coordinated burst of power that utilizes your whole body and breath. You can do it in a short burst with a smaller range or a longer wave with a more distant target. And there is a wind up/chamber phase, just like with any attack. You might call this 'xu jin' or storing. And just like with any other martial power generation the point is to minimize the visual/tactile evidence of your store and release.

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    So would a boxers jab cross be an adequate example of fajing? I personally have no experience with fajing, I've just read about it over the years and it seems like a pretty illusive skill, like some of the short power I've seen others speak of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jspeedy View Post
    So would a boxers jab cross be an adequate example of fajing? I personally have no experience with fajing, I've just read about it over the years and it seems like a pretty illusive skill, like some of the short power I've seen others speak of.
    Here's my opinion:
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=69374

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    I disagree because fajing is valid. To me Fajing=short power. If you find good books it is described as this, It is the Chi Fairies who make it stupid and mystical. Fajing takes no time to build it is about timing and body mechanics as you said.


    It isn't about conjuring an energy field and transferring it to your opponent. That is what Chi faries tell you when they can't make it work.

    Here are a couple of representation of the real 1 inch/short power in action.
    Check out Ali vs. Liston 2 :
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T_dHRLn5rM


    Bernard Hopkins vs. Oscar De La Hoya:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhP51Yp8R-0

    Fajing equals hitting someone, in just the right spot, with proper mechanics, to instantly stop a confrontation. That is it.

    It can be trained anywhere by anyone.

    IMA supposedly focused exclusively on harnessing this technique and could do it at will (conjecture).

    That is it. No mumbo jumbo plus, not only produced by Chi fairies.

    Also, real IMAers will tell you it takes hard work just like any "sport."
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    Missing video:
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