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    It is notable that many common shoulder, knee and low back surgical interventions for pain are no better than placebo in the long run.
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    Too broad of a question
    I was thinking along the lines of the tissue damage we can see in combat sports.
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    Many surgical interventions are apparently unwarranted for common "soft tissue/musculoskeletal" issues.

    I can provide references if anyone is interested.

    Obviously if your knee is flopping around like a wet albeit crunchy noodle, you're probably going to need surgery that said.
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    OP, if you are worried about potential knee injuries then here are some stretches that may help. I would definitely want to do these after a class on leg locks or getting a few leg locks thrown on me during rolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming Loyalist View Post
    i really think that those who can't get their head around the bowing thing (because their angry sky daddy will punish them) don't deserve judo. life is full of choices, and if your bronze age superstitions are holding you back, so be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChenPengFi View Post

    Essentially, the body heals itself, but trauma can certainly kill too.
    My family is pretty big on that belief (not crazy big. If I thought I had a serious illness I'd definitely go to a doctor) but I often wonder the limits of it's ability to heal itself.

    It seems like the body can take a lot of damage and yet still fix itself, but watching a Masakazu Imanari highlight... I think most of those guys are going to have to get some sort of surgery...
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    OP, if you are worried about potential knee injuries then here are some stretches that may help. I would definitely want to do these after a class on leg locks or getting a few leg locks thrown on me during rolling.


    I've been told that leaning back with your knees bent like he does is really bad for them, because most people aren't flexible enough and end up tearing something in their knees.

    I can touch my back to the floor while doing them so they said I should be fine, as it only injures when you go beyond your flexibility and end up forcing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChenPengFi View Post
    Many surgical interventions are apparently unwarranted for common "soft tissue/musculoskeletal" issues.

    I can provide references if anyone is interested.

    Obviously if your knee is flopping around like a wet albeit crunchy noodle, you're probably going to need surgery that said.
    Well, it's not doing that haha It cracks and sounds crunchy and ****, but it could have been doing that before and I never noticed because I wasn't concerned.

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    I tend towards not getting imagery myself, and trying conservative rehab first so long as one can tolerate it.
    Could you explain more?
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    It sounds like you've "catostrophized" knee injuries via submissions.
    You'd be more likely to experience pain and dysfunction if that's so.

    Is that another word for Being Hypochondriac-ish about it?
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    If you really are concerned and you have the means go see a doctor if nothing more than to put your mind at ease.
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    I've been told that leaning back with your knees bent like he does is really bad for them, because most people aren't flexible enough and end up tearing something in their knees.

    I can touch my back to the floor while doing them so they said I should be fine, as it only injures when you go beyond your flexibility and end up forcing it.
    I would imagine, as with anything, pushing yourself much past your body's "oh ****" feeling you could injure yourself. I have suffered pain in my patellar tendon since I was 18, I'm almost 26 now, and nothing any doctor was telling me to do really helped. I was recently shown these stretches and within a week or two I was pain free.

    Apparently someone else disagrees though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming Loyalist View Post
    i really think that those who can't get their head around the bowing thing (because their angry sky daddy will punish them) don't deserve judo. life is full of choices, and if your bronze age superstitions are holding you back, so be it.
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