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  1. AKRhino is offline
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    Surely most any sub can cause instant damage?

    Anyway, I never heard that, in those words. What I've always heard is that they are "dangerous" because damage can occur without their being pain (or without their being much pain). I tend to think this is likely true as I've been in heel hooks that felt... weird, as opposed to the pain "feedback" I get from other subs. I've been told this is because there are fewer nerve endings in your knee than other body parts. Do you disagree?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKRhino View Post
    Surely most any sub can cause instant damage?

    Anyway, I never heard that, in those words. What I've always heard is that they are "dangerous" because damage can occur without their being pain (or without their being much pain). I tend to think this is likely true as I've been in heel hooks that felt... weird, as opposed to the pain "feedback" I get from other subs. I've been told this is because there are fewer nerve endings in your knee than other body parts. Do you disagree?
    When hitting a controlled sub. It goes Tight->Pain->Injury. Leg Locks are no different.

    I have been told the same "nerve endings" bullshit story. Train them like any other submission. Tight, good positioning and controlled. Honestly, I think more injuries happen with leg locks from people not wanting to tap to what they feel is an "inferior submission." I can't tell you how many times I have heard "I don't tap to leg locks." Long story short....they all tap eventually.
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    Ankle Locks are Legal at White Belt in every tournament I have been to. Gi and No-Gi. Its even legal in the high restrictive IBJJF ruleset.




    Sounds like a poor heel hook. Lucky for you, because the way you described your reaction, a good one would of caused some damage.



    You didn’t tear anything. Its ignorance and a myth that heel hook instantly injures your knee.

    Than why are they considered to be so dangerous? How would I know if I fucked my knee up?
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    Lmao, I've never heard "I don't tap to leg locks."

    I HAVE heard "I don't tap to bullshit" after a friend went to sleep to a gi choke from inside his guard.
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    How would I know if I fucked my knee up?
    You wouldn't be walking
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    I'm guessing it would be pretty clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plasma View Post
    When hitting a controlled sub. It goes Tight->Pain->Injury. Leg Locks are no different.

    I have been told the same "nerve endings" bullshit story. Train them like any other submission. Tight, good positioning and controlled. Honestly, I think more injuries happen with leg locks from people not wanting to tap to what they feel is an "inferior submission." I can't tell you how many times I have heard "I don't tap to leg locks." Long story short....they all tap eventually.
    "I don't tap to leg locks"? What the hell? Hahaha

    They say that because they view it's inferior? Like they wont be caught in them?
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    I doubt it's that, so much as it's "Hey, if you're gonna tap me, at least do me the honor of passing my guard first."
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    You wouldn't be walking
    O.K.

    Been doing thigh stretches that are supposed to be good for the knees.
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    O.K.

    Been doing thigh stretches that are supposed to be good for the knees.
    This is a big assumption but I am going to assume if you can do those stretches nothing has been torn. I know when I stretch something that is torn it hurts like a mother fucker.
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