No I didn't think you were being pedantic. I was just trying to use an example of a thing that I have been practicing for ages, but which just isn't coming together. Yes someone could say I hadn't hit the magic number of hours training necessary to fix it, but I have put in a lot of hours and you would think that would count for something. There are other guys training with me, and they do not appear to be doing anything different (they have the same coaches and put in more or less the same hours) but they aren't getting the same problems.
Originally Posted by BKR
What I do find kind of patronising, is when people say there is no such thing as talent. Of course then I think it through and I realise they are saying this for a reason. If talent is a real thing, and it's some constant you are born with, then there is no point in even considering its existence. (At least while you are training.) At the end of the day, however good you are, and whatever your rate of progression is, you're still going to have to practice to get better.
EDIT: I did actually manage to seoi otoshi a guy in training today when he reached over for the grip. Of course he was a total noob, who was pretty much going to fall over whatever I did, but I think this was the first time I actually had the presence of mind to deal with the grip when it came over instead of letting it sink in like I usually do.
Last edited by CrackFox; 3/06/2014 6:56pm at .
My 9 year old boy was/is like your daughter. My 10 year old boy isn't too far behind. When I took them to Judo practice with me, they would watch and imitate what we were doing (they were much younger). All the warmups, shrimping, crawling, pins, breakfalls, it was really freaky. They effing taught themselves to do cartwheels and roundoff as well.
Originally Posted by RynoGreene
I had to draw the line at throwing, though. I told them not too and caught them, older boy had an over the back grip and was about to launch his younger brother with Osoto Gari !
I sure as heck wasn't like that when I was a kid, and neither was their Mom, as far as I know.
Keep up the work with your boy, he will be fine, and find something he loves and can excel at. In one sense, the work ethic he will get will be more valuable than natural coordination.
If you can do it on a noob, you can do it on a not so noob. Or a training partner who slows down a bit, maybe.
Originally Posted by CrackFox
Falling for Judo since 1980
"You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS
The subject is pretty tough to address because when we say "Natural talent" a lot of the time what we mean is the guy has a natural awareness of how to best apply the techniques, a high fight IQ if you like. There are other elements, speed, reaction time, flexibility, explosiveness, strength, cardio, chin, bonestructure and heart but I think having a natural intelligence for fighting probably precedes all of those things.
If you don't have that "Fight IQ" so to speak you're not going to be able to compete consistently against guys who do have that at a high level.
Boxing is a great example, there are a lot of guys that have their basics locked down tight but just don't have the immediate intelligence for fighting that Roy Jones Jr has, for example. The way that a Roy Jones can attack and defend at the same time fluidly comes from a kind of natural understanding that most of us will never have.
You could TRY to build up a repertoire of techniques that rival guys like this and even break down their methodology but ultimately less talented people can't execute stuff in the same way and guys who're more talented will always be slightly ahead of the curb.
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