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  1. I Give BJJs is offline

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    Posted On:
    12/06/2002 9:56pm


     

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    well I didn't actually say attacking first is always the best option, due to legal matters. However, if possible, I would rather only defend myself once, not redirect and give the guy another opportunity.
  2. Dochter is offline

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    Posted On:
    12/06/2002 11:45pm

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     Style: BJJ

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    For those of you unfamiliar with babblefish the best I can figure:

    Asia said: You have your head up your ass.
    (aka: "You have sweats head in its butt" wtf!)

    and IGBJJ said:

    "I would Asia, but":
    you are not worthy
    (aka: "you do not be worthy")

    how'd I do?


    *You're all a-holes*
  3. gong sau is offline

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    Posted On:
    12/07/2002 5:55pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Systran seems to do a better job. Here's what it spit out:

    Você tem sua cabeça em seu butt = You have its head in its butt

    você não são digno = you/they are not worthy

    Sorry Asia, I think Bj wins this round.




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  4. Kensai is offline

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    12/07/2002 6:15pm


     Style: Aikido and Judo

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I Give BJJ's, in Aikido, we have levels. For example, Shiho Nage, its like a throw. Now, in the Dojo I would drop my Uke, but let go of the arm, as to no hurt him in anyway. However, in real life (god forbid), I would not let go of this arm. This can cause 3 major breaks, wrist, elbow and shoulder, if not then a dislocation. Then there is the next level of Shiho Nage, perhaps closer to that of Daito Ryu, when you have your attackers arm, you can either drop down to one knee planting the arm though the floor, which can led to a broken collar bone, another variation would be to Tobi Ukemi (Jumping Forward Breakfall) with the arm, again causing a large amound of discomfort, as this is designed, not to break bones, but to rip and shatter. Ofcourse this is only my opinion. So saying that Aikido "does'nt cut it", is really a matter of perspective.

    Regards,

    "Those who are skilled in combat do not become angered,
    those who are skilled at winning do not become afraid.
    Thus the wise win before the fight, while the ignorant fight to win." -O Sensei Ueshiba
  5. I Give BJJs is offline

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    Posted On:
    12/07/2002 6:21pm


     

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    Kensai, the move you just described is a "fight-ender", which is fine in my book. My problem was with "deflecting" the opponent, giving him the opportunity to attack again.

    gong sau,

    I don't think I really "won" anything from Asia, while my Portuguese is admittedly rusty after 12 years, I still don't need a translation program for it.....yet. He was wandering into territory he knew nothing about (kinda like fighting), so I don't consider it a victory.
  6. Kensai is offline

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    12/07/2002 9:08pm


     Style: Aikido and Judo

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    IGBJJ, as long as you understand, the Aikido learning curve is not as quick as the more modern systems. You initially gain an understanding of momentum and positisioning yourself to get your attack off balance. Then, you learn the basic defences, which usually involve not so unpleasant movements. Then it moves on to more "effective/destructive" methods of defence.

    Regards,

    "Those who are skilled in combat do not become angered,
    those who are skilled at winning do not become afraid.
    Thus the wise win before the fight, while the ignorant fight to win." -O Sensei Ueshiba
  7. SamHarber is offline

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    Posted On:
    12/08/2002 5:08pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    There is a legal consideration to only deflecting the first attack. If your opponent is stupid enough to attack a second time, despite the warning you have already given him, I don't think any court will object to you breaking a bone or two.
    On the other hand, If you break a bone immediately, you're in a much worse legal position.

    "The Andrew Ridgley of being beaten up"
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  8. Deadpan Scientist is offline

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    12/08/2002 5:43pm

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     Style: BJJ

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    It'd be an even better legal position if you kept deflecting and did not seriously injure, while at the same time protecting yourself.

    The best lawsuit is the one that never happens
  9. I Give BJJs is offline

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    Posted On:
    12/08/2002 6:40pm


     

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    If a person attacks you, there is no need to deflect him for legal purposes. If legal issues worry you, than apply a choke or pin the first chance you get, you don't have to break something.
  10. Kensai is offline

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    Posted On:
    12/08/2002 8:46pm


     Style: Aikido and Judo

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    yeah, I agree IGBJJ's. I would try and end any comfortation as quickly as possible.

    Also, ofcourse the greatest victory is the battle not fought. Just IMHO.

    Regards,

    "Those who are skilled in combat do not become angered,
    those who are skilled at winning do not become afraid.
    Thus the wise win before the fight, while the ignorant fight to win." -O Sensei Ueshiba
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