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    Quote Originally Posted by CapnMunchh View Post
    You're right. I vow never to post another serious thread on Aikido again unless Seagal gets elected to office.
    Even with the new, and much more lenient, moderating policy in Basic Tech, this thread does not make the cut.

    So, yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CapnMunchh View Post
    You're right. I vow never to post another serious thread on Aikido again unless Seagal gets elected to office.
    Well he is running in Arizona, so anything is possible.

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    I know I have said it before but I am going to say it again.
    Aikido always looks like shitty judo to me in any of these types of videos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    I know I have said it before but I am going to say it again.
    Aikido always looks like shitty judo to me in any of these types of videos.
    There are actually "Aiki" ("joining energy") principles all throughout judo.

    So, I think Judo has more to do with Aikido (at least the principles behind it) than the other way around. I'd even go so far as to say Judo seems to be a more evolved version of what most Aikido claims to be (or could be, with more non compliant rolling).

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    I know I have said it before but I am going to say it again.
    Aikido always looks like shitty judo to me in any of these types of videos.
    Well, they're both coming from the same source. Both my old Aikido and BJJ instructors would teach a Judo technique now and then. It was never out of place in either class.

    I think the only time technique looks "pure" is when two people from the same style are engaging each other. Otherwise, the interaction tends to look more or less generic and maybe a little sloppy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CapnMunchh View Post
    I think the only time technique looks "pure" is when two people from the same style are engaging each other. Otherwise, the interaction tends to look more or less generic and maybe a little sloppy.
    I must disagree with you here.
    We have seen great judo throws done in the cage. We have seen nice clean Judo throws in ADCC and other not Judo tournaments.
    Good technique works because well its good. It shouldn't matter who the opponent is with in reason.
    Same thing can be said for other combat sports such as Boxing, Kick Boxing, BJJ, Wrestling, and the what not.
    This is why that aliveness aspect is important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost55 View Post
    Well he is running in Arizona, so anything is possible.
    Probably the only kind of 'running' he is able to do with his weight.
    Things about Jits: How do Armbar 2.0

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    I must disagree with you here.
    We have seen great judo throws done in the cage. We have seen nice clean Judo throws in ADCC and other not Judo tournaments.
    Good technique works because well its good. It shouldn't matter who the opponent is with in reason.
    Same thing can be said for other combat sports such as Boxing, Kick Boxing, BJJ, Wrestling, and the what not.
    This is why that aliveness aspect is important.
    I also have seen some good, clean technique from time to time in competitions; no doubt because it was executed by a good fighter. A good fighter can always impose his game on a lesser fighter.

    But remember that in MMA, even if they specialize in different arts, the skill sets fighters train are actually pretty similar; so its almost as tho they are all using the same "style." On the other hand, if we matched, say, a chunner with a ninjer of equal caliber (don't ask me how we figure that out), we're not likely to see typical sticking hands moves from the chunner. We're more likely to see generic standup fighting, particularly if we put gloves on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CapnMunchh View Post
    Well, they're both coming from the same source.
    Not really... unless by "same source" you mean Japan.

    However, I'd say they share some common elements and both arts are a good complement to each other.

    BTW, Ellis Amdur adresses the OP clip in It Aint Necessarily So: Rendez-vous with Adventure. Worth reading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCS View Post
    Not really... unless by "same source" you mean Japan.

    However, I'd say they share some common elements and both arts are a good complement to each other.
    By same source I meant japanese jiu jitsu. Tho some might argue that its all originally chin-na.

    They have a lot of similar elements and techniques. I think the main difference is that the emphasis is on different fighting ranges. That, and the lack of aliveness in Aikido.
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