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    COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) A Ohio principal says she suspended a 10-year-old boy from school for three days for pretending his finger was a gun and pointing it at another student's head.

    The boy's father says he thinks it's the adults who are acting childish after the boy was suspended from Devonshire Alternative Elementary School in Columbus last week.


    The fifth-grader said he was "just playing around." But district spokesman Jeff Warner tells The Columbus Dispatch that Devonshire Principal Patricia Price has warned students about pretend gun play The boy's father says he thinks it's the adults who are acting childish after the boy was suspended from Devonshire Alternative Elementary School in Columbus last week.
    Warner says the boy put his finger to the side of the other student's head and pretended to shoot "kind of execution style."


    The boy's father says the suspension is overboard.



    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ended/6007813/


    So apparently imaginary guns are bad too. To me this seems like a freedom of speech issue. Oh and it's just fucking retarded. How does anyone expect a child to learn common sense when their school has none??
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    I was in elementary school when Columbine happened. I remember the day the teachers got us together and told us we weren't allowed to do the finger gun thing and say stuff like "I'll kill ya!"

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    As IIF pointed out we see this sort of stupid **** pop up every so often.

    On one hand their are rules and the even if the rules are stupid the kids are suppose to be following the rules.

    That being said its a bit heavy handed to the point if this where to happen to my kid I would certainly be raising a fuss with whom ever I could.

    After all Kids will be Kids and Kids are not exactly know for their judgement.
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    This is my favorite one:
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    And from the same case as the OP,
    level 2 lookalike firearm

    Hahahahaha...

    http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...suspended.html
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    "Devonshire Principal Patricia Price has warned students about pretend gun play numerous times this year, and everyone should know the rules by now."

    What's the problem? Kids can't pick and choose which rules they want to follow. You can't run a school like that. These rules were probably sent home in letters to parents which they couldn't be bothered to read, then they freak out and act like spoilt babies when their kid gets punished.

    If a parent has a problem with school rules, make an appointment and talk to the principal about it. Like an adult. Equally, train your kids to know that if they have a problem with a "stupid" rule, rather than ignoring it and getting in trouble they should talk to you about it.

    There's no mention of any previous disciplinary issues with this kid, as if the whole incident happened in a vacuum. Which I'm sure isn't the case. A 3 day suspension in my experience would either come from a much more serious incident, or a build up of smaller incidents, which I'm sure is the case here.
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    Meanwhile in Idaho:

    BOISE, Idaho � TO the chief counsel of the Idaho State Legislature:

    In light of the bill permitting guns on our state�s college and university campuses, which is likely to be approved by the state House of Representatives in the coming days, I have a matter of practical concern that I hope you can help with: When may I shoot a student?

    I am a biology professor, not a lawyer, and I had never considered bringing a gun to work until now. But since many of my students are likely to be armed, I thought it would be a good idea to even the playing field.


    I have had encounters with disgruntled students over the years, some of whom seemed quite upset, but I always assumed that when they reached into their backpacks they were going for a pencil. Since I carry a pen to lecture, I did not feel outgunned; and because there are no working sharpeners in the lecture hall, the most they could get off is a single point. But now that we�ll all be packing heat, I would like legal instruction in the rules of classroom engagement.

    At present, the harshest penalty available here at Boise State is expulsion, used only for the most heinous crimes, like cheating on Scantron exams. But now that lethal force is an option, I need to know which infractions may be treated as de facto capital crimes.

    I assume that if a student shoots first, I am allowed to empty my clip; but given the velocity of firearms, and my aging reflexes, I�d like to be proactive. For example, if I am working out a long equation on the board and several students try to correct me using their laser sights, am I allowed to fire a warning shot?

    If two armed students are arguing over who should be served next at the coffee bar and I sense escalating hostility, should I aim for the legs and remind them of the campus Shared-Values Statement (which reads, in part, �Boise State strives to provide a culture of civility and success where all feel safe and free from discrimination, harassment, threats or intimidation�)?

    While our city police chief has expressed grave concerns about allowing guns on campus, I would point out that he already has one. I�m glad that you were not intimidated by him, and did not allow him to speak at the public hearing on the bill (though I really enjoyed the 40 minutes you gave to the National Rifle Association spokesman).

    Knee-jerk reactions from law enforcement officials and university presidents are best set aside. Ignore, for example, the lame argument that some drunken frat boys will fire their weapons in violation of best practices. This view is based on stereotypical depictions of drunken frat boys, a group whose dignity no one seems willing to defend.


    The problem, of course, is not that drunken frat boys will be armed; it is that they are drunken frat boys. Arming them is clearly not the issue. They would cause damage with or without guns. I would point out that urinating against a building or firing a few rounds into a sorority house are both violations of the same honor code.

    In terms of the campus murder rate � zero at present � I think that we can all agree that guns don�t kill people, people with guns do. Which is why encouraging guns on campus makes so much sense. Bad guys go where there are no guns, so by adding guns to campus more bad guys will spend their year abroad in London. Britain has incredibly restrictive laws � their cops don�t even have guns! � and gun deaths there are a tiny fraction of what they are in America. It�s a perfect place for bad guys.

    Some of my colleagues are concerned that you are encouraging firearms within a densely packed concentration of young people who are away from home for the first time, and are coincidentally the age associated with alcohol and drug experimentation, and the commission of felonies.

    Once again, this reflects outdated thinking about students. My current students have grown up learning responsible weapon use through virtual training available on the Xbox and PlayStation. Far from being enamored of violence, many studies have shown, they are numb to it. These creative young minds will certainly be stimulated by access to more technology at the university, items like autoloaders, silencers and hollow points. I am sure that it has not escaped your attention that the library would make an excellent shooting range, and the bookstore could do with fewer books and more ammo choices.

    I want to applaud the Legislature�s courage. On a final note: I hope its members will consider my amendment for bulletproof office windows and faculty body armor in Boise State blue and orange.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/28/op...dent.html?_r=0
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bezmond View Post

    There's no mention of any previous disciplinary issues with this kid, as if the whole incident happened in a vacuum. Which I'm sure isn't the case. A 3 day suspension in my experience would either come from a much more serious incident, or a build up of smaller incidents, which I'm sure is the case here.
    I was about to pick this apart, read the above part and then I looked at your location field. Please, go look up zero tolerance and don't be sure about US school policies. If you were a betting man, you'd be broke.

    I am not fully disagreeing, but there is a reason private school and charter school enrollment is rising, while public school is dropping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    I was about to pick this apart, read the above part and then I looked at your location field. Please, go look up zero tolerance and don't be sure about US school policies. If you were a betting man, you'd be broke. I am not fully disagreeing, but there is a reason private school and charter school enrollment is rising, while public school is dropping.
    If the was suspension was based on one incident then it is, indeed, fucking stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bezmond View Post
    If the was suspension was based on one incident then it is, indeed, fucking stupid.
    Rules are rules, stupid or not in that I agree. Then again, US schools enforce them arbitrarily and create more problems.
    Zero tolerance happens to anyone regardless of good or bad behavior.
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/05...erance-policy/
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/massachuset...ry?id=20576121
    http://www.newschannel5.com/story/24...in-fathers-car

    This is the stupid **** you can't account for with zero tolerance. There is no "case by case" because the US is PC "fair" and everybody is "equal."
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