Thread: Single Beat?
2/03/2014 6:36pm, #1
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I read Miyamoto Musashi's The Book of Five Rings, and I think it had a lot of good advice for any combat sport/martial art. I can't figure out something though, so if anyone has any ideas I'd like to hear them.
In the book, he talks about how you should always think about attacking your opponent, and that some people only think of defense. He talks about "Striking with a single beat", meaning to strike your opponent before he has any Idea of whether to attack, parry, run away etc. Basically get him at the orient phase, before he can decide on what to do.
I can see how that aligns itself nicely to Boyd's O.O.D.A. loop, where, since you are the first attacker, you are forcing your opponent to adapt to you, so his cycle of thinking is going to be slower than yours, since you are just acting your cycle out without having to adapt to what your opponent is doing, while your opponent has to go through the process of thinking "He's striking at my head! Do I block? Do I move?" etc.
Later on in the book, Musashi talks about how you should wait for your opponent to make a move before executing your move. Example: You see that your opponent wants to strike at your head, so you strike at his body since it's open.
This seems to contradict his earlier "Single Beat" striking method.
In your MA of choice, do you find "Striking with a single Beat" whether that means attacking first in Muay Thai or shooting in first in wrestling etc. more effective for you, or do you find that waiting to find out what your opponent is trying to do, and then make your move as a counter, works better?
2/03/2014 6:41pm, #2
Bear in mind that the bulk of that book only makes sense if you have the background for it, ie you are a senior student of niten ichi ryu.
Having said that, there's more than one way to skin a cat. I highly doubt Musashi would advocate only doing one thing or the other, so to say that there's a contradiction in his providing different methods is misunderstanding his intent, I would expect.
2/03/2014 6:42pm, #3
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2/03/2014 7:04pm, #4
There are 3 fundamental timings, hit him as he prepares ie while he is thinking about it, hit him while he initiates, hit him after he has hit. The last one always involves a block or parry.
2/03/2014 7:36pm, #5
I have only read the Five Rings in English, so do not know if Mushashi addresses the different types of initiative: sen, sen no sen, and go no sen. I've also seen sen sen no sen, but it's been awhile.
Then there is this to consider:
King James Version
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
That phrase applies to the guy who just can't be bothered to get started on anything.Falling for Judo since 1980
"You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS
2/03/2014 7:51pm, #6
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Since a punch is a punch is a punch, I wouldn't be surprised to find similar teachings in other striking or weapon based arts besides the Japanese.
2/03/2014 8:38pm, #7
2/03/2014 9:12pm, #8
Some of Five Rings applies specifically to this two sword style of fighting, allowing a swordsman to both block and attack at the same time.
But, as Musashi grew older, he was very influenced by Zen and when he finally retired and wrote, it was influenced by both his famously effective sword style as well as his more spiritual meditations later on.
A word of caution, there are both good and bad translations or "interpretations" of Five Rings out there. Make sure you aren't using a version considered "off", I think there are threads on BS somewhere discussing this...maybe Neil knows what I mean.
2/03/2014 9:59pm, #9
The Victor Harris translation is the standard, beware the one by "Hanshi" Steve Kaufman. However to my knowledge it has never been translated by someone with both thorough knowledge of the Japanese of the period and thorough knowledge of NIR. I read it about 10 years into my kendo career and frankly didn't make much sense of it, apparently if you practice NIR you can get a lot more out of it.
2/04/2014 8:34am, #10
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Omote (acting in accordance with uke's action)
Sen (tori's initiative)
Go no Sen (counterattacking)
Yoshi (changing rhytm, like with combos and feints)
Sen no sen (superior initiative, meaning counterattacking the intention to act)
I'm a noob though, so I don't really have a good understanding of what Sen no Sen "looks like".
Sorry if this was out topic.