Thread: Black eye in Aikido?
2/15/2014 11:58am, #41
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2/15/2014 1:46pm, #42
That's fair. I said this because some higher level aikido techniques are set up with punches,, and if you **** up you can get punched in the face.
3/17/2014 8:01am, #43
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Aikido is, for the most part, a cooperative martial art. That can be a little misleading, but in reality it really is - regardless of how hard you train. Of course, uke can increase resistance, speed, strength of attack, but generally unless you are doing randori or jiyuwaza, its more or less the equivalent of prearranged 'one step' sparring like you see in karate.
That being said, there's an understanding of responsibility between the attacker and the guy executing technique. Aikido is one of the most dangerous martial arts because of the attackers willingness to leave himself vulnerable while his partner works the technique, and the emphasis combining momentum with joint manipulation. In that context, I can see where a 'out of place' punch to the face can be perceived as poor manners. We will do 'walking pace' randori for new students - if everyone is going 40% and one guy goes balls-out, he's kind of a dick. I am all about hard training - hell I had a black eye, broken toe, and two jammed fingers after my nidan testing randori - but if someone is just way out of context, surprise blasting playas in the face - thats just dumb and have no training value for the guy punching, and little training value for the person getting face punched.
Some schools really ignore atemi. I train in two styles of aikido, and one of them has an atemi for over half their kihon waza. The other style school doesn't require that much atemi, but you'll see close to that being executed voluntarily.
We do a lot of basic techniques where nage/shi'te initiates with an atemi to get their uke off balance and maybe manipulate a blocking hand/arm.
I travel about 185 days a year for work. When I travel I visit dojo, and I train in several JMAs. Between judo, jujitsu, aikido, iaido, and karate, I would say the dojo-crossover with aikido is the most frustrating. Because of the above-described "cooperative" nature, training can lead to uke being conditioned to certain styles of techniques. That can be bad training for the uke, but worse for the nage. This disconnect of training emphasis and values frustrates the visitor/new-join, and the incumbent dojo. Also, I currently can't think of a higher percentage of arrogance in a martial art more so than I experience in aikido. My organization is one of the best I've seen, but we have some so-so dojo. Sometimes this arrogance is passive-aggressive, but its there far more than it should be (I generally have positive experiences though). Honestly, the most fun I have when visiting dojo have been Yoshinkan ones. Maybe I'm biased, but they train like I like to, and every single one we've gone out drinking afterward (drunken parking lot aikido not an uncommon occurrence).
Too many people think what they've done at their dojo is the right way things are done. This is less true in aikido than most other martial arts - its one of the most diverse JMAs.
Aikido is one of the most frustrating martial arts to cross train styles in unless you have very, very solid fundamentals.
Some people use way more atemi than others, and some places don't, in the wild wild world of aikido.
I prefer robust, hard, training...but aikido's nature lends itself of cooperative training, and its pretty gay to take advantage of that by popping people in the face. But.....
....you should always be ready to get popped in the face. When I get complacent and get face-punched, I am usually ashamed....but that shouldn't be the case for a newbie.
Don't punch newbies in the face unless they have an understanding it could happen - that's like slapping a random passerby in a bar.
Last edited by daishi; 3/17/2014 8:12am at .
3/17/2014 8:15am, #44
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3/17/2014 9:11am, #45"Face punches are an essential character building part of a martial art. You don't truly love your children unless you allow them to get punched in the face." - chi-conspiricy
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3/17/2014 9:47am, #46