Posted On:1/31/2014 7:40am
Hi everyone, I came across some judo knee injury videos, in which it looks like the cause is bad throwing technique(looks like tai otoshi) by tori.
It looks like uke has no chance to ukemi in those videos. I was wondering if there was anything I could do if I am uke to protect myself from injuries like that if tori uses bad throwing technique like in the videos?
Posted On:1/31/2014 9:35am
Style: Judo, Boxing
Posted On:1/31/2014 9:47am
Style: belt and jacket wrestling
I wrote quite a bit about preventing and rehabbing knee injuries in a thread a while back... I'm a CSCS and have had multiple knee injuries, so it's an area of passive expertise.
I don't really know that there's anything you can do to prevent knee injuries in training, other than doing supplemental strength work. My left knee has been torn twice; once was from a sloppy tani otoshi, and the other was from an ouchi gari that also trapped my foot, in competition. My right knee was torn from a really good tai otoshi that made contact across my kneecap.
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Posted On:1/31/2014 10:17am
Style: Judo, Hung Family Boxing
IMO (as an accident prone ************, just become a supporting member and read my training blog) the best defense against knee injury is to leave your ego at the dojo door and be prepared to jump, yes JUMP for even the weakest white belt or over-aggressive black belt the moment you even think your knee is in danger.
there is no winning or losing in randori. you can and should point out after the fact that you jumped because your knee was in danger (people have to know when they make that sort of mistake, so they can stop endangering training partners) but you need to watch out for #1 and take the fall, preferably on your back and with a healthy mat slap. even in tournament, one also has to accept when one is *not* fighting for olympic gold, and realize that losing the match is better than 3 months of knee rehab and a lifetime aversion to cold, damp weather.
now, i know that your post is about when you have *no chance* to ukemi, sometimes you don't have time to jump, and sometimes your knee just decides to slip out of place on its own, and there's nothing you could have done, but when you have a chance to escape with a wounded ego rather than a wounded knee, take it.
making your knees more stable is a good idea for prevention, free weight squats are a good exercise for that, and making sure that your legs are well stretched out and that some muscles in your legs are not pulling on your knee and causing it to be weak in certain directions (this is especially true with calves, hamstrings and IT bands in my experience.)
my newest thing is to use a foam roller on my legs every day, as my calves and IT bands seem to have it in for my knees. YMMV, try to see where the trouble spots are in your legs before it becomes an issue. muscular imbalance is not your friend. i have over-developed quads and calves (thanks fencing and skateboarding) and they put a lot of torque on my knees that i would really rather not have.
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Posted On:1/31/2014 12:41pm
Style: Kodokan Judo
Ming Loyalist covered it pretty darned well. The whole ego thing in randori is huge. As a black belt, I have had to deal with it...and when it's a rusty ikkyu who thinks he will "prove" himself in front of the class, it's usually quite a show.
Overall physical advice: keep your knees flexed, and stay on the balls of your feet, ************ ! Anything else is crappy basics anyway. And check the matting/tatami for cracks, lumps, humps, loose tape, etc.
What I write below uses judo terminology, but could apply to any type of grappling.
1.) Situational Awareness: Pay attention to who you are or will train/compete with. Watch them do uchikomi or whatever other drills before you grab them to drill or do randori or before the match. If they are overly aggressive, rough, or just plain suck (beginners? The deadly young adult orange or green belt? ), then be ready to take extra care. Don't trust all that "jita kyoei" (mutual welfare) stuff, most judoka today probably have not heard of it.
If you are in your own dojo you should have a good idea of who does what and how well or badly. The head coach/sensei should be dealing with crappy technique and attitude before it becomes a problem. But from what I hear and see nowadays, don't count on that, especially if you are visiting another dojo, or at a shiai.
Avoid or be ready to deal with the dangerous potential training partners. Whatever type of hacker he/she is, if you have to work with them, I have over the years done this: Tell them you have a sore <insert body part> and request they do not do <insert throw/uchikomi or whatever>.
2.) Stay on the balls of your feet, knees flexed, ************ (yes, I repeat myself). Over the years that and situational awareness and being willing to jump have saved my knees dozens of times (except once, resulting in ACL recon...but that's another story).
3.) Throws to look out for, mostly ashi waza but a couple of sutemi waza
Tai OtoshiTani OtoshiAny "gari" type throwAny "gake" type throwYoko Otoshi (bad on shoulders/heads too!), Uki Otoshi
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Posted On:1/31/2014 6:16pm
Style: open minded
I personally wear knee wraps under my gi. Knees are always bent. And always pay attention to what their doing. Regardless this is a martial art and you may get hurt. Just take little steps to prevent injury. That being said the person should be aware of the uke and aid them through the throw. Doesn't always happen that that's how it should be.
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