Thread: OBAMA GUN BAN OMG!!!
7/18/2014 6:51pm, #1
OBAMA GUN BAN OMG!!!
Okay, so Obama, according to the gun nuts, has banned Saiga and Kalashnikov or not if you really read. Anyway, has anybody shot one? Is it worth getting one just because the fear will drive the price up since "gun nutz iz stoopid?"
I shot a fully auto one about a decade+ ago, it was fun, but never cared about owning one. Still don't care to, but it something to discuss damn it.
7/18/2014 7:12pm, #2
I thought fully auto was a done deal on the no-no? I'm English though so, oh noz gunz!
I've shot the AK-47 on range but that was more so we knew what it sounded like, rather shooting for fun.Train hard, fight easy.
7/18/2014 7:20pm, #3
I would avoid the Saiga
this review can put it better than I can
As far as the AK goes its a gun I grew up shooting so I am a bit biased, but it is a work horse pretty reliable, pretty damn easy to shoot, easy to find high capacity mags for.Of the single rapier fight between valiant men, having both skill, he that is the best wrestler, or if neither of them can wrestle, the strongest man most commonly kills the other, or leaves him at his mercy.
–George Silver, Paradoxes of Defence
7/18/2014 9:08pm, #4
I have fired an m60 on full auto. They wouldn't let me do it from the hip.Whitsunday Martial Arts Airlie Beach North Queensland.
7/18/2014 9:27pm, #5
7/18/2014 9:38pm, #6
7/18/2014 9:53pm, #7
What annoys me is the deliberate thought that went into NOT creating meaningful sanctions, since sanctioning Gazprom or another economic powerhouse would create a backlash in Europe. So the implied task there was to find companies and individuals to sanction that would be "meaningful" in some way or another, while not necessarily significant.
Enter this topic, and the ban on importation of all Kalashnikov/Izhmash Concern firearms, which includes Saiga, Molot, VEPR, and pretty much all Russian-made Kalashnikov-pattern firearms. This is a generally toothless sanction--though meaningful in that it splashed the Kalashnikov name in the news, and was a pretty blatant decision to pick something in an economic sector that would mostly affect people who weren't going to vote Democrat in the fall anyway. The concerning portion of the sanction is probably moreso related to the question of what sort of stake Kalashnikov/Izhmash Concern and its subsidiaries has in the Russian Ammunition industry. And will treasury bother to ferret that information out, or just go with a blanket ban?
At any rate, lots of other imported AKs and receivers are nice, so this sanction is mostly a temporary annoyance. Unfortunately, VEPR does make the nicest available stock AK-pattern semi-auto shotgun, so if anyone is concerned about price gouging, they may want to move quickly in that particular direction."No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal
7/18/2014 11:24pm, #8
7/19/2014 5:40am, #9
I had to laugh at all the gun nuts who are posting on Facebook about how Obama has banned AK 47's. Typical propaganda.
7/19/2014 6:40pm, #10
There are plenty of stupid people on both sides of the fence. I think it's fair to say that the Democratic party as a whole has taken a far stronger stance on gun control in the past few years than it has since the AWB helped cost them Congress. I am certain the Obama Administration knew exactly what was going to happen when the latest round of sanctions was announced, and figured it wouldn't really hurt the mid-term election results, and might even serve as a bit of a rallying cry/morale boost for gun control proponents. Personally, I think this was a tactically stupid idea, since it shows that the current administration is just as willing as congress to continue the divisive politics, and is willing to do so in cases where it really gains them nothing of practical value.
I would like to purchase a VEPR 12 at some point, though. Especially since Saigas have gone up so much in price. The gap is a lot narrower than it used to be, and Saigas need a lot more than $200 in work to bring them up to VEPR 12 quality."No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal