Thread: The IJF bans more things
1/30/2014 1:52pm, #31
I think most of the negative reactions stem from the perception that the rule changes are working regressively, rather than progressively. This comes from the fact that many people were exposed to judo under a different ruleset, so the dichotomy is very real and fresh-in-the-mind. Greco, for instance, has changed in rules and clothing over time, but it has remain largely unchanged for the majority of people who still practice it, other than a few small things.
I was grumpy about the rule changes last year, but that's because I felt like my options were being further limited. Some of that is selfish, of course, as I am not a good player from traditional grips, and I use leg grabs all the time.
When I really think about it, though, rules and clothes are what make the style, so if I feel restricted by judo, then I should feel restricted by greco because it doesn't allow leg grabs, or BJJ because I can't punch the person in the face.
1/30/2014 2:59pm, #32Falling for Judo since 1980
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1/30/2014 7:09pm, #33
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I agree that the rule set essentially defines the style. On the other hand, the few times my Judo club has gone "sambo rules" or "jiu jitsu rules" just for fun, I have felt like a woefully under-prepared grappler in the face of leg attacks. And knowing that, say, 10 years go this would have been LESS of the case is frustrating. But I am glad for the stricter ippon and longer groundwork rules.
2/01/2014 5:10am, #34
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I realise that the IJF is only concerned with Judo (and Keeping it in the Olympics) but how it fits in with other forms of grappling is important to a lot of participants. The sight of a cross training Judoka repeatedly getting hit with leg attacks will probably become more common.
The only change here that effects me is "Pushing down" but its probably good they restricted that as the lack of leg attacks took away a lot of options for smaller players vs. larger players.
2/01/2014 11:50am, #35
Even before the rule changes you didn't see a ton of wrestling-style singles and doubles, at least not locally to me. You were more likely to see grabbing the leg as an assist or a follow-on attack. Not sure how I would deal with a good wrestler's shoot. I was able to easily stuff the few I was ever attacked with but they weren't that good.
2/01/2014 12:59pm, #36
I'm not a fan of banning the grip breaks, unorthodox grips, leg grabs, or pushing someone down. These seem like legitimate techniques to me, and not "negative judo" in the slightest, at least in the local tourneys I've done. It's also a personal annoyance: I like using a hand to help my kouchigari, I like foiling an end-of-sleeve grip with a knee shuck, and pushing someone down with a high-collar grip sounds to me a great option from that position.
The other stuff I can understand or get behind.What a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable. -Xenophon's Socrates
2/04/2014 9:55pm, #37
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I also don't get any of your zen attitudes about the ruleset defining the sport. I mean yeah, it does. But you should feel restricted by BJJ: disallowing punches makes BJJ competition less realistic, if not less useful as a training aid. That's why top BJJ players (some, at least) say what I said before: the top level of BJJ is its application to MMA.
From this point of view, changes to the ruleset are bad if they breed worse fighters, even if they couldn't, by definition, reduce the efficacy of judoka in Judo.
So if Judo changes, sure, that's the new sport now; within Judo, 50% of the fighters still win their matches at every comp, so it's easy to hand-wave away these complaints. But if in 20 years judoka are not very good at pajama wrestling compared to those who are allowed freedom in grip fighting, that will be evidence of degradation to the art's practicality in an objective way.
2/04/2014 10:12pm, #38
Please watch your attributions, I didn't say any of that stuff in the 2nd quote.
2/05/2014 11:37am, #39
Although the "zen" comment seems a bit condescending, I'll oblige: If you want to learn punches, then don't study BJJ. If you want to attack the legs when you wrestle, get into freestyle, and not greco. You are making distinctions about the efficacy of one sport using the criteria of another, yet they clearly exist independently of each other.
2/05/2014 12:09pm, #40
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