Thread: Root of Belt Wrestling?
2/01/2014 7:25pm, #11
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Of course it could be the other way around as well: loose hold/free style wrestling became more and more restricted and eventually became a fixed hold style of wrestling. Or it could be that different regions just happened to develop either loose hold/freestyle or fixed styles.
2/04/2014 4:49pm, #12
Folk belt wrestling.... you can wrestle without ripping the few clothes you can afford.Things about Jits: How do Armbar 2.0
2/04/2014 5:38pm, #13
2/05/2014 10:46am, #14
Egyptian, 4000 years old (~2400 BC)
If you look closely, sure seems like they are wearing some sort of ceremonial belt, possibly functional..
Chinese "jiao li" (shuai jiao ancestor), 7th century. Visible sumo-like belts or wrapping.
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2/05/2014 8:29pm, #15
People wear belts.
Go figure...Falling for Judo since 1980
2/07/2014 7:01pm, #16
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2/07/2014 7:18pm, #17
I don't really see anything suggesting belt wrestling in the Egyptial burial mural. There's sort of a belt in some of the pics but I don't see techs where its being gripped. Looks to me like its just there to suggest pants (my little martial arts drawings in my martial arts tome are pretty similar, with one guy white with black pants and the other black with white pants).
2/07/2014 7:49pm, #18
Imagine the...odor while wrestling back in the days when bathing wasn't considered quite as necessary. Wrasslin' in skivvies in that case loses a lot of it's charm. If it ever had any.Falling for Judo since 1980
2/07/2014 8:54pm, #19
2/10/2014 2:11pm, #20
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If you want to really nerd out on this, you could look at it from a different perspective.
For example, from the perspective of linguistics.
Finnish, Estonian, Hungarian are all part of a language family called the Uralic languages. As we all know, because of their geographic locations, the languages and cultures of the people from these regions have also been heavily influenced by the Scandinavian and Slavic langauges.
Believe it or not, a lot of historical linguists believe that these languages are related to another language family called the Altaic languages which includes the Turkic languages (Turkish and related languages), Mongolic (the Mongolian language and related languages), Tungusic (a variety of languages from the Tunguska area of Russian), Koreanic (Korean and related languages), and Japonic languages (Japanese and related languages).
Looking at the regions covered by these different language families, you can almost see a map flowing from one end of the Eurasian continent to the other.
So that means that there's enough historical material out there that shows a link between the languages and cultures of countries as geographically disparate as Finland, Turkey, Mongolia and Japan (etc.)
Now, assuming that belt wrestling started in a single place and then possible spread elsewhere, you could use history and/or linguistics to illustrate how cultural components (like language or sports or other cultural practices) from seemingly different geographical locations and cultures could actually have originated from the same place and then spread across the world.
If you run wikipedia searches for any of the terms listed above, you'll find loads of info and maps about the languages themselves as well as their geographic regions, their spread, the ethnic groups from which they originate, etc. Reading it all, it becomes much more clear that it's not so crazy to think that anything from Finland might be rooted in Mongolia via Turkey or vice-versa.
Ex: the spread of altaic languages across Eurasia