1/20/2014 10:16am, #11
I've seen the strength vs technique battle go both ways. Kurzhev got knocked out of the Sambo Worlds this year by Tsagaanbaataar, and I would say (IMHO) that Kurzhev is the far more technical sambo player. He just got wrangled by a much stronger and more determined player, and Mongol athletes are another breed of strong. I was on the receiving end of a Mongol ass-kicking at the belt wrestling championships in Russia.
1/20/2014 10:21am, #12
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Strength buys leeway, and can prevent mistakes from being fatal. A strong guy will get away with more ****-ups than a less-strong guy, essentially.And lo, Kano looked down upon the field and saw the multitudes. Amongst them were the disciples of Uesheba who were greatly vexed at his sayings. And Kano spake: "Do not be concerned with the mote in thy neighbor's eye, when verily thou hast a massive stick in thine ass".
--Scrolls of Bujutsu: Chapter 5 vs 10-14.
1/20/2014 12:14pm, #13
I think the BJJ ruleset allows to nullify a bit more of the strength advantage by allowing guard pulling. I found wrestling or playing Judo with some of the +99kg (+218lbs) monsters I encounter to be very difficult vs pulling guard seems to even the playing field.
1/20/2014 3:56pm, #14
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I bet 9/10 guys Jeff's size wouldn't escape that triangle he attempted, that big dude just bulldozed through it. That's a good example of size/strength overcoming technique.
1/20/2014 5:08pm, #15
I start BJJ classes tonight, and I am a big guy. I am very interested in getting a feel for smaller (possibly "weaker") folks trying to submit me. I haven't done that sort of thing since katame waze many years ago, when I was much younger, but possibly not as strong as I am today. I have no doubt some if not all of the instructors I will roll with who are smaller are still far more efficient than I am with their own strength, and I will probably feel pretty helpless for a while.
I have a great old book from the 1950s called "The Secrets of Judo: A Text for Instructors and Beginners" which spends a couple of chapters on how the physics of Judo and similar arts work, with very simple examples and illustrations.
Amazing, amazing book for both beginners and advanced. Eye opening and does not require a heavy math background to understand the physics involved. Also recommended by Risei Kano, president of the Kodokan, once upon a time.
Some of the best examples are the ones that help explain judoic (my word) efficiency with regards to various elements like energy, momentum, leverage, etc. They use the examples of simple machines (lever, screw, wedge) to show how judo uses similar principles to LESSEN the amount of raw strength required to do Work (as in newton-meters or joules of work). So, for judo, it's easy to show how leverage and certain motion can help a tiny person throw a big guy over their shoulder without having to use a lot of strength. It's all in the physics.
But all that same physical principle applies to BJJ too, just from a different perspective. It's all the same physics. If you train ways to utilize the same things (energy, momentum, leverage, etc) you are actually learning to CONSERVE strength and energy when fighting...imho this is a critical skill and largely what seems to separate the Pros from the No's.
I know Royce Gracie while big, was much smaller than his biggest opponents and if there is one UFC fight that demonstrates absolute mastery of conserving strength until the right moment, it was Gracie vs Severn in UFC 4.
One round, almost 16m long.
Your muscles will always thank you for using them when they are not needed, and they will have better reserves left for when you do really need them.
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1/21/2014 12:31pm, #20
To use strength is okay, to rely upon it is not. To beleve your mastery of timing, technique and leverage elimates the need for strength is delusional.