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    Purple Belt Blues Sucking all the Fun out of Grappling

    I thought at first I'd post this in the advanced grappling forum but then I thought maybe it wasn't terribly relevant there. Plus, since this post is basically about how I suck (or perceive myself to suck), YMAS is likely more appropriate.

    First off a little background: I'm a purple belt whose been training just over 5 years. I'm a 5'4'', 145 lbs female who trains anywhere from 4-6 times a week at the club, along with a couple of strength and conditioning workouts during the week to supplement.

    Here's my stinkin' deal: I am not having fun grappling anymore.

    I feel that my skills have been stagnant for about a year or more now (basically since I got my purple). I feel I am not growing as a grappler, making the same mistakes over and over and over again.

    I base these conclusions on the results during open mat and free rolling. I rarely submit the guys at my gym. I still rarely sweep with any effectiveness. I basically play bottom-game defense. all. the fucking. time.

    More importantly, in the last two months or so, I've been completely smashed by a few blue belts at my new bjj club. My technique is too shitty to effectively counter both their technique and more importantly, their strength. This isn't to say, purples, browns or blacks don't **** me up, it's just a different kind of fucking up and I don't get nearly as butt-hurt over it.

    To try to address this issue, I have been setting up specific training sessions to just drill and I have also started a lifting program supposedly meant for grapplers (http://bjjtoday.net/bigger-stronger-technical/) to increase my strength (it seems to be working a little..I guess)

    All of this is highly disturbing to me and makes me fucking depressed. I keep getting stripes based on I guess, my time/attendance, but I don't even want to think about getting my brown when I even can't handle (i.e., school) blue and purple belt dudes.

    What has been your experience for this kind of thing? Is it normal for intermediate grapplers to feel inadequate? Is this just a reflection of my own insecurities towards shitty blue belts?
    What advice do have for a small, widdle purple belt whose is getting her ass kicked nearly every class? Is there other conditioning I should be doing? Drilling certain ****? Should I just suck it up and stop being a little bitch about it?

    Let the trolling ensue!
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    This seems to be quite common.

    I watched a really good purple go through this, he was competive at pans and worlds as well as a very good instructor. He practicly lived in the gym.

    It took a while and a change up in who he works out with to get out of the funk.

    One thing I can suggest is change it up some. Change to judo for some time.
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    I'm a male about your size (and a shitty blue belt).

    I'm wondering if what you need, lifting aside, is a change in your game. Invest in losses and start to play offensive top game, let your ego aside and be owned even by white belts.

    Also: http://www.smallaxebjj.com/2009/04/0...sing-grappler/
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    First of all what you are feeling is common for everybody that does any sort of Combat Sport. You will plateau. Now that you know that, lets figure out a way around it.

    As a purple belt, I assume you have an A-game or a Competition game? Such as a Go-to Guard, a Go-to Sweep from that guard, a Go-to submission? If not, thats Step 1. What are you good at, what do you have an affinity too?


    You say to have set some drilling time. How much are you drilling and what are you drilling? Are you consistent in what you are drilling. For example, when I want to make a sweep part of my A-game, I don’t drill it 10 times and call it a day. I will do it straight for 20-30 minutes including variations. “Ok, drive into me.” "Ok, lean away.” “Now, remove my outside foot”, etc.

    When it comes to rolling with someone better, bigger or stronger, go towards your A-game. You can’t sweep, try it again, the 10th time may be the charm. Make them defend you, cause them to make a mistake. If you just play defensive, waiting for a mistake, it will not come.

    I am not afraid of the person that knows every sweep and submission from every position. I am concerned about the person that will Berimbolo me regardless of how many defensives I put on their way.

    Finally, what guard are you playing? If you are playing a guard, such as closed, that allow larger people to put their weight on you, you are already losing.
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    I had a very similar problem. I didn't venture outside of my comfort zone as far as positions and techniques went and I stagnated. So my instructor started banning positions and moves I could use in grappling to make me rely on my C and D level techniques. I started losing a lot, including to people I'd consistently tap before. But week by week I started rising those C and D level techniques to A and B level as well as coming up with personal variations that worked better for my body type.

    I started to tap people I could never tap before even with my favorite techniques still banned. It requires you to swallow your pride a bit but it was very worth it to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plasma View Post
    First of all what you are feeling is common for everybody that does any sort of Combat Sport. You will plateau. Now that you know that, lets figure out a way around it.

    As a purple belt, I assume you have an A-game or a Competition game? Such as a Go-to Guard, a Go-to Sweep from that guard, a Go-to submission? If not, thats Step 1. What are you good at, what do you have an affinity too?
    My comp game is side control and armbar. My go to guard is half guard and then sweep with 2 or 3 tech. The problem here in training, is that I can rarely get in top position on these guys. When I do, I am so relieved and paranoid I'll lose the position, I forget or I am too scared to go for the damn sub.


    Quote Originally Posted by Plasma View Post
    You say to have set some drilling time. How much are you drilling and what are you drilling? Are you consistent in what you are drilling. For example, when I want to make a sweep part of my A-game, I don’t drill it 10 times and call it a day. I will do it straight for 20-30 minutes including variations. “Ok, drive into me.” "Ok, lean away.” “Now, remove my outside foot”, etc.
    Right now I am only drilling 2x week for about 40min. I just started doing this too. Usually we go through as many as five tech each and drill about 10-15x before moving on. I'll change that immediately as per your suggestion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Plasma View Post
    When it comes to rolling with someone better, bigger or stronger, go towards your A-game. You can’t sweep, try it again, the 10th time may be the charm. Make them defend you, cause them to make a mistake. If you just play defensive, waiting for a mistake, it will not come.
    That's exactly what's happening. I am playing the survival/waiting game most of the time especially with the muscley dudes. So be more aggressive/offensive even when in shitty positions? My only apprehension with this is that i find when i start to really amp things up, some guys go full caveman on me and it just leads to a shitty shitty roll.

    Quote Originally Posted by Plasma View Post
    I am not afraid of the person that knows every sweep and submission from every position. I am concerned about the person that will Berimbolo me regardless of how many defensives I put on their way.

    Finally, what guard are you playing? If you are playing a guard, such as closed, that allow larger people to put their weight on you, you are already losing.
    The main guard I play is half guard. My legs are too stubby to keep a closed guard for very long, especially the bigger the guy is. I can trap a leg like no other but then sweeping from there, even when using my go to sweeps (which used to work) are now low percentage...
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    Quote Originally Posted by animlmthr View Post
    My comp game is side control and armbar. My go to guard is half guard and then sweep with 2 or 3 tech. The problem here in training, is that I can rarely get in top position on these guys. When I do, I am so relieved and paranoid I'll lose the position, I forget or I am too scared to go for the damn sub.
    It sounds like you need to find a new way on getting to that position. See Half guard can mean almost anything from Eddie Bravo style lockdown where all your opponent's weight is coming down on you to a Half Guard Shell where you are using both shins to block your opponents weight. Using the Half Guard Shell with a RDLR Hook when they standup/setup into combat base will allow better hip movement that will prevent you from getting stuck under their weight.



    Quote Originally Posted by animlmthr View Post
    Right now I am only drilling 2x week for about 40min. I just started doing this too. Usually we go through as many as five tech each and drill about 10-15x before moving on. I'll change that immediately as per your suggestion.
    In 2012 I did nothing but drill 1LX Guard and X Guard. In 2013 it was 50/50 Guard. I have training partners that are stronger and better technically than me that avoid my X and 50/50 Guards like a plague. They know if I secure my positions they will be on the defensive the rest of the match. If you have 40 mins to drill, drill 1 sweep for 40 mins, then during sparring go for that sweep repetitively. Make people run from your sweep, it will create other openings.

    Quote Originally Posted by animlmthr View Post
    That's exactly what's happening. I am playing the survival/waiting game most of the time especially with the muscley dudes. So be more aggressive/offensive even when in shitty positions? My only apprehension with this is that i find when i start to really amp things up, some guys go full caveman on me and it just leads to a shitty shitty roll.
    Aggressive/Offensive doesn’t means harder/more muscle. What I am saying is don’t accept the sweep, base out and stay on top. Don’t accept the pass, invert, shrimp, get back your half guard. Don’t let them settle into the position, it will increase the chance of them making a mistake.

    Quote Originally Posted by animlmthr View Post
    The main guard I play is half guard. My legs are too stubby to keep a closed guard for very long, especially the bigger the guy is. I can trap a leg like no other but then sweeping from there, even when using my go to sweeps (which used to work) are now low percentage...
    What type of Half Guard are you using? For example, I used to use lockdown half guard as my go to half-guard. It was very high percentage for me for a while. Then as my competition level when up, it got very low percentage as people know how to stuff it. As a result I moved into using Deep Half Guard in those situations which is much higher percentage against better people.
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    Every intermediate grappler goes through this phase, a long plateau that seems to take forever to get over. Indeed, it's caused quite a few to quit grappling. Personally, my plateau lasted nine months.

    Keep training, change up your training regimen (adopting new techniques, improving existing ones and more drilling) and you will get past the plateau.
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    LOL, didn't I warn you of this when I promoted you? This is a great thread for everybody to see.
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