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    They tend to work well when standing if someone isn't actually trying to hit you. I used to work in a max security juvenile institution, and used to occasionally use them if there was a lot of **** talking but no actual violence. It was a humane way to get kids back to their room.

    But the instant they clench their fists and get some tension in their arms, they are very hard to use. In these cases, you need to get positional dominance. Sometimes just breaking their balance can be enough, but by far, the most often, it means getting them down.

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    The better Aikido guys talk a lot about the concept of "atemi". Which is basically 2 things:

    1) Distract him so he doesn't realise you're putting on a lock before its too late.

    2) Hit him a lot before you put the lock on.

    Its a lot easier to joint lock someone if you've hit him in the nose first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy View Post
    The better Aikido guys talk a lot about the concept of "atemi". Which is basically 2 things:

    1) Distract him so he doesn't realise you're putting on a lock before its too late.

    2) Hit him a lot before you put the lock on.

    Its a lot easier to joint lock someone if you've hit him in the nose first.
    Aikido techniques totally work on real people- you just need to beat the **** out of them first! Ah, the peaceful way.

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    Not mentioned yet but a wall while not quite as good at immobilizing someone as the ground also works fine.

    The key component here is keeping your opponent from being able to move.

    Obviously as previously mentioned a superior position on the ground is pretty damn iseal for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy View Post
    The better Aikido guys talk a lot about the concept of "atemi". Which is basically 2 things:

    1) Distract him so he doesn't realise you're putting on a lock before its too late.

    2) Hit him a lot before you put the lock on.

    Its a lot easier to joint lock someone if you've hit him in the nose first.
    3) Hit him again after the lock is on. He's distracted thinking about getting out of the lock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    Aikido techniques totally work on real people- you just need to beat the **** out of them first!
    Preferably with a bokken to stay within the style.

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    A Jo is also acceptable.

    Also a beer bottle can be used, but beer bottle waza is for advanced practitioners of the art.


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    Whitsunday Martial Arts Airlie Beach North Queensland.
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    You must have a really strong grip to pull those off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erezb View Post
    You must have a really strong grip to pull those off.
    A strong grip helps a lot; position and technique are also important. The last time I applied one successfully, I had the guy so busy focusing on the knee-strikes I was throwing at his quad, that he didn't notice the grab and transition to lock. If you're just going to grab someone and lock their arm, you had better have a real strong grip.

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