Thread: Thin Privilege and Fat Logic
12/11/2013 3:19pm, #21
12/11/2013 3:28pm, #22
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12/11/2013 3:48pm, #23
12/11/2013 3:52pm, #24
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I feel Phrost is onto something, but yeah...there is a lot more to this than the article discusses. The basic premise is dead-on though.And lo, Kano looked down upon the field and saw the multitudes. Amongst them were the disciples of Uesheba who were greatly vexed at his sayings. And Kano spake: "Do not be concerned with the mote in thy neighbor's eye, when verily thou hast a massive stick in thine ass".
--Scrolls of Bujutsu: Chapter 5 vs 10-14.
12/11/2013 7:31pm, #25
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A big socio-economic problem here in the USA is the low, low low cost of all the sugars, and the high cost of the fruit and vegetables.
Not only is the education regarding dietary habits piss-poor (I've overheard fat people say that sugar isn't fat so it's good for them...), but the economic incentives which were brought up earlier in this thread, are in the adverse direction.
At my Kroger and Wal-Mart(s), there are no chilled waters to buy at the register; only soda's. Everywhere I go, buying water is more expensive than buying Soda. Even if they're the same price, soda seems to be more 'value' to people (water is just water, cola is water + sugar + cola magic). Same with the vegetables, which, if they even look appetizing, are much more expensive than the $1 pizza's etc. (plus the preparation time that many people who work two jobs cannot afford to 'waste')
I'd say our whole culture is so focused on making people into consumers, that it affects our health in negative ways. The sheer campaign of misinformation about everything from sell-by dates ( differs per state, some have sell-by that are suggestions to retailers, others have use-by, that are suggestions to consumers, etc), to the 'organic' label, to all the fad diets, the nutritional information, the school lunches, advertisement campaigns* etc, serves this purpose, in combination with the huge economic pressures put on people to work so much that it becomes so hard to prepare food (time pressure, being exhausted from work, convenience of no/little cleaning) it becomes evident that this is a sinister campaign to get us all fat.
And then to sell us crazy diets to combat all that fat. And if that doesn't work, you can buy some sort of necessary surgery (or die), after which the cycle begins anew, because no new habits are learned and made their own, it just gets fixed for now.(Also, if you can't afford that surgery it's ok, they'll find a way to get their money).
*Only for processed foods, never just 'drink water' 'eat vegetables', because the lack in profit in the later.
Not sure if any of this really excuses 'Fat Acceptance', it's still bullshit. But I do believe our whole culture has a monetary incentive for (some) people to get fat.
12/11/2013 7:44pm, #26
Man, that's some bullshit.
The chic at the dinner table getting upset because her sister lost weight? Talk about some egotistical ****. She stuffs her maw because she's selfish. She's into self gratification to a degree that it's unhealthy.
Then, on top of that, people can't even talk about someone else in her presence without her personally interjecting her issues into the paradigm? That's what I call "self absorbed".
I've been fat too. More than the social stigma I changed it up because I just felt like ****. I don't mean "unpopular" felt like ****. I still hooked up with women who I thought were way out of my league looks wise so insofar as "attraction" went I was still in the game even as a big guy.
But I was sick. My body was falling apart under it's own weight. My joints were bad, my circulation was bad, my breathing was labored and it was only getting worse.
So I switched my routine to a different kind of "selfish". I had to turn it around and I did. After years of lifestyle changes and dedication I'm finally getting to a point where I'm almost to thin for my frame and I need to work out harder to gain muscle mass or I'll look weird again.
I worked hard for this ****. I spent years at it. Sometimes there were setbacks. Illness or times of poor access to healthy foods and unhealthy schedules that set me back months. But I kept at it and I'm proud of what I've accomplished. And it;s not all about me. I like being easy on the eyes to my lady friends. I like that I can give them that. It's only fair right? They look good to me, I wan't to look good for them too.
Most importantly though, I feel good now. I like that. I like not having knee pain just from walking to the fridge. I worked hard for it and I'm not going to apologies to anyone for that "privilege".
Because it's not a privilege to me. It's a reward. It's a reward for beating my deamons. A reward for not letting my own poor habits and self doubt drag me into a miserable life of pain and an early grave (extra wide plot?).
I don't feel guilty. **** that ****. I'm going to keep at it. I'm going to look like a fuckin' sex god. And if fattie don't like it she can suck my dick.
(No, seriously though, fat girls get at me. I'll still bang.)
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12/11/2013 7:52pm, #27
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I'm not really concerned with people who are overweight or borderline obese; BMI is a less-than-perfect standard; but if you're Morbidly Obese by that standard, you're extremely unhealthy.
12/12/2013 10:27am, #28
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Last night after getting home from the gym this conversation was still on my mind as I sat down to watch a little netflix. There is a documentary there called "Big as Life: Obesity in America."
Holy cow! I had no idea that most fat people feel the same way as the woman mentioned in the original post. Many of them think that being fat has no negative health consequences and that we are imposing and victimizing them by not accommodating their needs.
One guy even makes the point that we make accommodation for blind people and people in wheelchairs, how is he any different?
It was a hue eye opener for me. I realize now that these people live in a complete state of denial and transfer all of their guilt and shame onto others. They aren't just fat, they are mentally ill as well.
12/12/2013 11:02am, #29
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I know by BMI, I am considered obese (6'3" 255 lbs) I know I am not the picture of health, but I am far from what you would see as obese. They should really be more concerned with body fat, rather than body mass. Scrapper doesn't strike me as obese, in anyway, but I know my dr tells me I should be 180lbs.
Other than that, I agree with Phrost's article.I feel like you eye-bawlin' me, dawg!
12/12/2013 12:41pm, #30
This is the problem I've been debating with. On one hand I know Phrost realizes the difference. There are people that will use any excuse what so ever to say "stop making fun of me."
On the other hand a lot of these "facts" are complete and utter bullshit. It works both ways. People get picked on because they're too skinny. These people could consume 5000 calories a day without gaining a pound. There are people that could look at a Hamburger ad and gain 2 pounds.
Let's take myself as an example of some of the bullshit that's out there. At my peak performance I was a 185 professional fighter.....overweight. I had 11% body fat and considered high risk. That was nearly 15 years ago.
Now I'm 191, 17% body fat...obese. I eat healthier than 90% of the country. I run 3 miles twice a week, yoga 3 times a week (DDP bang!), grappling 6 days per week, and teach work out and martial art classes all week; but I'm at risk of heart disease, diabetes, and stroke......(Despite good blood pressure and great cholesterol)
The guy currently on the tread mill runs the same amount as me, and works out 4 days per week is considered morbidly obese and he's done everything the "experts" have told him to do when it comes to nutrition.
My daughter, and a lot of other children across our country are asked to do the BMI and, if they fail, that their parents are sent a letter home that says they are at a health risk; despite the fact that there are no actual studies that state what size a child really needs to be. Why? Because it's impossible.
So yeah, I have mixed feelings about this subject.