12/04/2013 1:58am, #31
Damn, I wish I could train at Omega's gym. That test looks seriously grueling. Anyone that passes is clearly not someone to be fucked with.
12/04/2013 11:44am, #32
Hours-long tests of calisthenics, forms, pre-set self-defense responses, and light sparring are par for the course for TMA/bullshido/non-alive/McDojo/whatever schools' black belt tests. That's not to say they're bad. It's just entirely normal for in light-contact karate/kung-fu schools.
I'm with NeilG. The hours of conditioning and demonstration is largely fluff, because what we're doing is trying to formalize and complicate a pretty straightforward procedure: instructor thinks you're ready, so here's the rank. I prefer the casual approach ("here you go, you earned it"), the competition approach ("you won that tournament, here you go"), and the judo approach (zero-sum shiai plus kata). I don't particularly *mind* the conditioning element--physicality is important--but to tout it as some sort of newfangled Bullshido-approved amazingness is eyebrow-raising.
I feel like a Bullshido.net black belt test would involve an amateur ring fight, a judo-style zero-sum shiai, and a weightlifting meet, and at the end you don't get a black belt, you just get the experience of having fought in a ring, fought in a tournament, and lifted weights.What a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable. -Xenophon's Socrates
12/04/2013 12:53pm, #33
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12/04/2013 12:54pm, #34
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I don't have a problem with the casual approach you described, if the instructor prefers it (tho at least for kids, I think it doesnt amount to as much recognition or reward). But IMO, if you're going to hold a formal test to award a black belt, each candidate deserves individual attention, it should test a variety of skills and take more than a few pro forma minutes each, and when its over there should be no doubt it was a challenging test. I'd say the testing shown in these videos meet those requirements.
Question -- if you don't think testing aerobic fitness is worthwhile then why have them lift weights? Potentially, each candidate can demonstrate a high level of aerobic fitness, but not every candidate will be able to lift heavy weight regardless of effort.
12/04/2013 1:14pm, #35
I am glad you quoted 1point2. I have him on my ignore list because he's generally full of ****. I'm glad nothing has changed.
I am sure that the reason him and NeilG down play this type of testing is because they themselves are incapable of participating in a test because it would show their true character or lack there of. Why either of them are here is beyond me.
What they call fluff I call a sense of achievement. As I told each one of the candidates "Pass or fail nobody can take this day away from you." and they were happy about that. In the past we've complained about fat, overweight and generally non skilled people who've gotten their blackbelts. People who couldn't kick over their head. People who knew nothing of self-defense. Some arts specialize in specific areas. They have ways to test. I've even been on the receiving end of the "Hey, you're skilled enough, or you won the competition here's your black belt" end of things. That always left me empty inside. That's how I obtained my first blackbelt.
So I took the complaining that I've seen so many times on these boards and I put it to the test. Like normal we have the mixture of opinions. I did not expect it out of two supposed instructors.
12/04/2013 2:04pm, #36
12/04/2013 2:48pm, #37
In the past we've complained about fat, overweight and generally non skilled people who've gotten their blackbelts. People who couldn't kick over their head. People who knew nothing of self-defense.
12/04/2013 2:58pm, #38
I think the physical conditioning testing is almost as important as the technique stuff. All the technique in the world is useless if you are collapsed on the floor wheezing 30sec into the fight.
12/04/2013 3:20pm, #39
NeilG who **** on your doorstep? I expect this asshattery from Crackfox and 1Pokemon2, but when did you stop being able to take what you dish out? You took a jab at his teaching and he returned the favor.
12/04/2013 3:28pm, #40