Now if someone could just come up with a no nfa silencer solution I would be rather happy.
Ha. I was thinking the same thing today.
Originally Posted by goodlun
just out of curiosity, and more from a big business practice rather than any interest in firearms,
from what I understand this company has really pushed the boundries of what is legal, so much so they are supplying a letter from the ATF to put buyers minds at rest, however from some of the posts you expect this "loophole" to be closed and the buyers contacted to return important parts?
Has this happened before and if so are the buyers remunerated any?
just seems a really cynical ploy on the face of it.
Yes it has happened several times before, and no, buyers are not typically remunerated.
Originally Posted by Pharabus
Most recent debacle I know of was the Akins Accelerator, there have been others: https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/arm...s-accelerator/
Just to point something out, it is very common to get letters from the ATF to show a prouct is indeed legal even when not pushing bounderies. There are a lot of loop holes out there and one shouldn't expect every LEO to know every single one of them.
Originally Posted by Pharabus
So its always good to have said letters with you on anything that is slighty out of the ordinary.
IE take an AR pistol in CA
You have to use a bullet button
You can have any length buffer tube with a cheek weld on it but no stock.
You can have an angel front grip but not a verticle one.
ect ect ect
All to get around silly assualt weapon laws and NDF laws.
I don't see how that is full auto. Its just a really short pull with a crazy reset. The guys are pulling the trigger each shot. I also highly, highly doubt that it'll be as easy as those guys make it seem. Also, the ROF isn't that great; most top shooters will run a carbine that fast on any match trigger. As far as ROF goes, bumpfire is better.
A question I want to ask is, is that trigger drop safe in the super short reset mode?
Also, full auto got kinda old for me pretty quickly. Our shop gun, aside being a test platform (gas extraction at high ROF's for muzzle devices.. it shoots close to 950 RPM now. brrrrrrrrrrrrp!!), is mainly used as a toy to please guests.
This isn't really a bump-fire product at all. According to the information on the web site I think the best way to refer to it would be a "recoil assisted trigger reset". Basically they're transferring recoil forces to the trigger to increase the pull of the trigger until it resets. Then, if you're using a bit more force than it would take for the trigger to break it does so. Begin illusion of full auto fire.
Edit: This means that it should be as drop safe on its third mode than on semi.
I certainly could be wrong as I do not know exactly how technical the term "bump fire" actually is.
Originally Posted by wetware
However the mechanism sounds like just a really fancy way of bump firing.
I am under the impression that if you keep your finger depressed into the trigger its going to reset against your finger and thus fire using the recoil of the rifle. Which in the end sounds like they are just using really fancy language to describe bump firing.
Fully auto is fun until you check your wallet. I'd prefer a select fire with a short burst mode over fully auto any day.
The way I see it is this: bump firing uses recoil to relieve finger pressure on the trigger, resulting in a series of very fast trigger pulls as you pull the weapon into your stationary finger. This, on the other hand, uses recoil to increase the trigger's resistance to being pulled, which will move your finger until the trigger resets and the resistance drops again.
I may be being overly nitpicky about this.