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    Shuai jiao belt snapping/cracking

    So I just discovered that this is a thing https://youtu.be/ugF_sW6G8zQ?t=1m19s

    Another example here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I9s...z4XopBzZAQFaIU

    According to the person who linked the second video it's supposed to be for conditioning and drilling. I can see it might be good for grip and wrist conditioning. But I can't see how it would be useful for drilling. But shuai jiao is one of the few Chinese styles that definitely does what it says on the tin. Is there anything to this belt cracking?

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    I've never done it but I like how it gives the hands something to do, something that reinforces good positions, explosive arm movements, and grip fighting, all during footwork practice. That's the "drill" aspect that I see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1point2 View Post
    I've never done it but I like how it gives the hands something to do, something that reinforces good positions, explosive arm movements, and grip fighting, all during footwork practice. That's the "drill" aspect that I see.
    yeah it seems to do all those things, i have done it in the past, and now that i do judo i don't spend time on solo footwork drills that would leave my hands idle, i do partner drills and get to grab a judogi.

    i don't think it's *worthless* but i think there are probably more effective ways to spend your training time.
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    I think people like to make noise and will find funny ways to justify them making noise.

    Same thing with the snappy pants legs, beatboxing, tap shoes, loud stereos, KIAs!!!!, Ke?po chest slapping, and stomping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming Loyalist View Post
    i don't think it's *worthless* but i think there are probably more effective ways to spend your training time.
    Very true but hey this seems like something someone could "drill" at home while recovering or other times where less intensity drilling is ideal.
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    I practice bullwhip (to be honest, mostly for the reason Backfistmonkey said) and I feel like if there is martial benefit to be gained by snapping a flexible thing, an actual whip is a far better training device than a belt. I think those ship mooring cables they sine wave at gyms etc are probably the best tool for developing whipping-type movement though. Its kind of apples and oranges though I guess since they're not really cracking it like a whip mechanically speaking.

    I think in the video we have to make sure to make a distinction between grip and grips. While snapping a belt like that might help your grip strength, I don't really think snapping both hands 180 degrees apart is actually a technical skill used very often in grip fighting. I could be wrong though.
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    I think it's for the coordination of hands, not grip fighting. Using the hands in specific, coordinated way while holding a jacket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    Very true but hey this seems like something someone could "drill" at home while recovering or other times where less intensity drilling is ideal.
    this would be preferable (or just an elastic band would work.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming Loyalist View Post
    this would be preferable (or just an elastic band would work.)
    I love it, the "kuzushi revolution", LOL ! I guess in the UK they lost touch with it for a while...

    That said, we are in the process of getting bands for our dojo along with anchor points on the wall to mount them.

    The belt snapping thing addresses a different though related issue. Still related to "kuzushi" (more like tsukuri), but not exactly the same. If you guys watch the coordination of the snaps with the (odd) footwork it will make more sense, if it doesn't already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming Loyalist View Post
    this would be preferable (or just an elastic band would work.)
    No doubt, there are many products that are better. However you most likely already have a belt.
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