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  1. Keej613 is offline

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    (...) It was about taking a racial caricature of the Southeast Asian to embody the fierceness and legitimacy of the local fighting arts. Going on about how its the art of little brown exotic headhunters and pirates.

    Today, I saw the above pic on Facebook from one of the FMA groups I'm friends with (never met IRL, they're Brazilian), and it totally reminded me of the critiques of using racial caricatures to make an art look more badass.

    What do you think of this sort of thing in FMA or silat? Is the pic at the top racist?
    I think the pic is racist and inappropriate in several ways. The depiction of the Filipino is unflattering to say the least; the fact that it is not a self-depiction is what makes it most troubling. Many Filipinos would probably feel that being depicted as wanting to kill Christians and/or Europeans is also insulting. The severed head of the Christian / European could also be seen as insulting or threatening to Christians and/or people of European ancestry.

    Perhaps the "wrongness" of the logo would be more obvious to some people if a Krav Maga school used the image of a stereotypical hooked-nosed Shylock holding the severed head of a Palestinian.

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    Not the first time I've seen MA school logos involving severed heads. Doesn't matter whether the logo is racist. Its ugly as hell, not the type of image a respectable school or instructor should identify with, and is most damaging to the members of the school that uses it.
    I strongly agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortal_wombat View Post
    That's funny because in the FMA that I practice seems to embrace Japanese techniques. We have everything from Judo style throws to aikido style wristlocks. We even use the belt system.
    That could because you're in Canada where almost every martial art / style / school / system that isn't centrally regulated with an iron fist (like the IBJJF, IJF, WTF, ITF, etc.) is essentially a mish-mash of whatever its founders and/or current leaders want to include in it. For example, a lot of what is referred to as "traditional Japanese jiu-jitsu" in Canada is in fact a contemporary hybrid of karate and judo at its base and then the various schools / systems add a pinch of boxing, a dash of kali, a sprinkle of wrestling, etc. In most cases, it's actually much easier to find something like this than to find a school that teaches a pure or tightly-regulated style. I suspect that this tendancy might explain why your school seems pretty open to diversifying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keej613 View Post
    That could because you're in Canada where almost every martial art / style / school / system that isn't centrally regulated with an iron fist (like the IBJJF, IJF, WTF, ITF, etc.) is essentially a mish-mash of whatever its founders and/or current leaders want to include in it. For example, a lot of what is referred to as "traditional Japanese jiu-jitsu" in Canada is in fact a contemporary hybrid of karate and judo at its base and then the various schools / systems add a pinch of boxing, a dash of kali, a sprinkle of wrestling, etc. In most cases, it's actually much easier to find something like this than to find a school that teaches a pure or tightly-regulated style. I suspect that this tendancy might explain why your school seems pretty open to diversifying.
    He comes from Cacoy Doce Pares, which is sort of what you described- an amalgam of eskrima, judo, aikido etc, but it came about in 1950s Philippines.
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    If the severed head belonged to someone dedicated to spreading christianity, then the angry li'l flip has just ensured that senor tin-hat gets the to spend eternity in the honoured place of heavenly martyrs. Nice gesture, all told.
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    As a Spaniard,



    Now, if I went to a guro to learn FMA, and be rejected due to my ancestry, or made the focus of all jokes everyday for it, I'd be mad. Other than that, I find whoever commissioned the image/logo has poor taste. Still more original than Spartan helmets, though.

    There's so much hate around the world, and so seldom directed where it should be.
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