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    What's Wrong with Aikido?

    "There are no good and bad martial arts. It's the fighter that matters, not the style."

    ^ This notion, as widely held as it might be in the martial arts world, is complete crap. An individual fighter is forged by his training, which in turn is dictated by the style he practices. To say style doesn't matter is to say training doesn't matter, something I'm sure nobody reading this would agree with.

    At the end of the day, all martial arts are just systems of honing a physical skill. None of them are above scrutiny. There are about five million videos on Youtube criticizing Crossfit, so why shouldn't there be any videos criticizing some of the more dubious training methodologies in the martial arts world?

    And on that note, I present to thee:


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    Yeah. I recently got into that discussion and was blown away with the concept of arm destructions. That an art that is designed to safley handle an attacker without hurting him is too deadly to spar.

    It is one of those arts that gets touted as a go to for police and security. Where you put up with doing low percentage attacks because you are generally not trying to hurt the other guy.

    But if you are going to rip a guys arm off. You may as well just have hit him with a chair and saved yourself the heartache.
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    Take the best stuff from Tomiki-ryu and add it to judo or BJJ. Or that other style that competes, Hatenkai. Basically, aikido seems to be just one small part of a much larger curriculum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaosexmachina View Post
    Take the best stuff from Tomiki-ryu and add it to judo or BJJ. Or that other style that competes, Hatenkai. Basically, aikido seems to be just one small part of a much larger curriculum.
    Bjj and Judo already have everything in tomiki has.

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    One thing in my very inexpert opinion on tomiki, from watching some competitions on youtube, seems like their randori aims to complete takedowns without grabbing the gi, or clinching, just arm attacks and some sweeps.

    I can see that being useful as a kind of supplemental training to work things you might not normally bother with.

    It would be along the lines of limited sparring in boxing where both opponents keep their lead foot inside a tire. You're forced to work in the pocket the entire round. Doesn't help your footwork at all but does wonders for your head movement.

    Tomiki aikido randori would maybe be less useful than the foot in the tire sparring but the principal could be similar. Limit your techniques to train stuff you might not normally do well.

    My only real issue is it doesn't seem useful enough to actually devote much training time too... but suppose they find a cure for aging and I'm kicking around for a few hundred years, sure I'll spend some time in it eventually.

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    Great video/analysis. Just sent it to a mate that wants to be productive after work and was considering aikido.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kravbizarre View Post
    Great video/analysis. Just sent it to a mate that wants to be productive after work and was considering aikido.
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    Liked the video, however, to some extent, I do not agree with the second and third parts: the technical curriculum and the philosophy. But the only one to blame about the misunderstandings about Aikido are akidoka themselves and the art's governing orgs; the conclusion sums it up perfectly and gives the "It's the fighter that matters, not the style" a new meaning: a style populated by pussies become pussified no matter how good the style was when it started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    Bjj and Judo already have everything in tomiki has.
    It's in Judo, mostly in the Goshin Jutsu (no kata). Mostly lost to modern practitioners IME. By "in" I mean the type of tai sabaki and distancing (mai-ai) more typical to aikido, and the lack (but not totally absent) of jacket grabbing the same.

    Once two guys lock on grips on a jacket, dynamics change and aikido-like movement becomes a lot more difficult to do and less efficient, IME.

    It's really a matter of mai-ai (engagement distance), I think.

    DCS? What do you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    Once two guys lock on grips on a jacket, dynamics change and aikido-like movement becomes a lot more difficult to do and less efficient, IME.
    Seconded

    It's really a matter of mai-ai (engagement distance), I think.

    DCS? What do you think?
    That aikido focuses in the close range striking/arms lenght grappling distance that is very common in classical japanese martial arts and in european medieval/renaissance martial arts; styles which were heavily concerned about weapons.

    When one is sure the opponent is unarmed and there is no need for your own weapon retention Aikido's tactics and techniques are not really needed.

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