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    I know Brian Jones (not well, but my school affiliates with his), and have trained with him.

    From what I gather, the point he was trying to make is that he'd see some shady "rankings" by no-gi guys who decide they can just declare themselves black belts and start teaching, despite having no official lineage or certifications. He wasn't shitting on no-gi as a style. He actually does practice no-gi. The rant wasn't targeted to no-gi guys so much as it was non-legit guys...though, he probably should have worded it better.

    He certainly wasn't targeting 10th Planet, who use a belt ranking system in no-gi. They actually have lineage and legitimacy in the BJJ community. That said, I don't know Brian that well, and haven't discussed this with him personally. I'm going by what he's posted on facebook and his website.
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    I'm going to go argue with Ihim on his youtube video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by warlordgrego View Post
    I know Brian Jones (not well, but my school affiliates with his), and have trained with him.

    From what I gather, the point he was trying to make is that he'd see some shady "rankings" by no-gi guys who decide they can just declare themselves black belts and start teaching, despite having no official lineage or certifications. He wasn't shitting on no-gi as a style. He actually does practice no-gi. The rant wasn't targeted to no-gi guys so much as it was non-legit guys...though, he probably should have worded it better.

    He certainly wasn't targeting 10th Planet, who use a belt ranking system in no-gi. They actually have lineage and legitimacy in the BJJ community. That said, I don't know Brian that well, and haven't discussed this with him personally. I'm going by what he's posted on facebook and his website.

    I learn grappling from a guy whos only legitimacy is he wins fights.
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    I'm going to go argue with him on his youtube video.
    I'm just going to send him salacious personal messages.
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    I learn grappling from a guy whos only legitimacy is he wins fights.
    That is perfectly fine. Did this guy claim to be a black belt just because he wins fights though?

    That aside, its not my argument. I was just somewhat clumsily trying to clarify what I think Brian means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by warlordgrego View Post
    That is perfectly fine. Did this guy claim to be a black belt just because he wins fights though?

    That aside, its not my argument. I was just somewhat clumsily trying to clarify what I think Brian means.
    the issue is that with promoting a no gi system people want to judge it by something.

    So to justify how good your system is you test it by other systems. No gi ranking is pretty much only by competition. Especially mma. You are the champ untill you are not the champ.

    So they have taken this mentality and tested it against other styles.

    This is all very irritating when people ring up and want to know what belt you are. How are you supposed to answer that question?

    Now if you want to go one step further and have an in house belt then the test for that belt should be other legitimate styles. Especially if you are geared towards competition anyway.

    Basically there are two different midsets in conflict here. One is that success in execution determines rank. And the other is that something else determines rank.

    Honestly both ideas are fine. But saying one is wrong is silly.

    The other question is what division do you put an unranked no gi grappler in if they do a bjj comp.
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