yep. There's a reason I stopped teaching kids, closing in on 20 years ago now.
Originally Posted by Permalost
As an instructor, here's my pet peeve: put your kids into class because they want to be there, not because you want them to be there for whatever reason. There's a difference between a shove to get your kid off the couch and active and forcing him to be somewhere he hates.
Nice guideline. As an instructor for 13 years, I know that parents come in all types. In my experience, most parent complaints are a result of miscommunication. It's important to keep in mind that things that seems obvious to us based on our experience are not always obvious to parents. Especially in TMA, there are a lot of "unspoken" rules, and in grappling arts, there are a lot of things that seem brutal and/or unfair that really aren't.
But it seems silly to me not to teach kids just because of a few bad ones. Teaching kids is very rewarding and most kids (and parents) are not that bad.
Edit- C Pepper: I don't want you to think I was talking about you, that was a general statement and not aimed at you specifically.
Devil, your post should be required reading at all dojos by law.
While I was training sport JJ, there was an older high ranking Judo coach that sometimes did our classes. He was pretty badass, universally respected and had great technique and teaching skills. However, his children were at home anywhere but the gym. The younger one was your typical noisy kid that couldn't concentrate on anything for more than few seconds.
Originally Posted by NeilG
The real WTF was the older one. He was a few years younger than me, like begging high school at the time. A pretty cool guy outside the gym, that turned into a shapeless pile of goo on the mat. I swear that this kid went limp the moment you touched him. It was ridiculous. You couldn't even do normal positions with this guy, like holding him in your guard, because he was fucking limp all the time. He would just kinda fall over.
Once in a blue moon, he would surprise me with an outburst of strength that made me remember he actually has functioning limbs, and then he would go limp again.
Now, what the **** did his father think? He was there, he watched. I have no fucking idea.
That kind of **** is even worse in striking arts. You won't just get bored to death, you get the **** beaten out of you.
Indeed, if for nothing other than that a daycare centre caretaker would presumably possess some qualifications supporting child care or at the very least have some kind of oversight from a government organisation. Compared to something the entertainment industry, children in martial arts and the people looking after them are rarely subject to much regulation at all. Martial arts practice is consequently one of a dwindling few means by which predators can easily access children.
Originally Posted by Devil
I believe my kids are much safer in their martial arts school than they would be at a daycare center. I hear what you're saying but that's not really what I was getting at.
Originally Posted by DARPAChief
No offence taken. I agree with you.
Originally Posted by SpinKiK
I take capoeira with my younger son, because it's something we both get a lot out of, and very much enjoy spending time together. But, if he decided it didn't do it for him anymore, then we would stop - or at least we wouldn't do the parents and kids class and I'd probably carry on without him.
Nice work, Devil !
I would add a pet peeve of mine.
Your child does not deserve the next belt promotion just because she shows up and tries. There are specific requirement for rank promotions, even for kids, even if the skill standards are lower than for adults. As in "real life", not everyone gets promoted or learns at the same rate.
We've had parents who literally yelled about how their little johnnie deserved to be promoted because little janey (who pays attention, and is coachable, and goes to tournaments and actually wins a match or two), gets promoted.
Not a chance...
They then basically rage quit. Great example for your kids, parents !
BTW, I hate rank promotions for kids. Everyone stays white belt until they are at least 12 years old !
Falling for Judo since 1980
"You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS
In every instance of this that I have seen in my 2 years of working with the children's class, the kids that were enrolled "for discipline" are the most spoiled, snotty brats. Sometimes the more well behaved kids (simply because the parents don't spoil them) won't even talk to/play with them after class because they're so annoying, all because the parents won't follow through with punishing them.
Originally Posted by Permalost
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