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  1. ManyThai is offline

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    Spinning kicks in Muay Thai?

    At my Muay Thai gym we train spinning kicks rather often, at least relative to any other Muay Thai gym I've ever been to. Earlier incarnations of Thai boxing actually did independently develop some spinning kicks such as the spinning back kick (kwang leaw lang, or "deer turns back") and spinning "hook" kick/reverse roundhouse kick (jarake fad hang, or "crocodile whips its tail").

    I'd say certain spinning kicks aren't bullshido. The spinning back kick and spinning hook kick can be used, though rarely. They are lower percentage kicks, but I don't think they're useless enough to be considered bullshido. I've seen them score KOs and crowd-pleasers in a good amount of Thai fights.

    I've been in fights with TKD and Karate practitioners, though, and they most definitely overuse spinning kicks. They can be easily countered by 1) simply throwing a cross; 2) executing a low round in mid spin; 3) sweeping the supporting leg while they're throwing the kick; 4) moving in out of (in the case of the hook kick) the way of the heel or stuffing the spinning back kick or side kick and suplexing or off-balancing the kicker (I've seen this employed by many Thai boxers against TKD and karate fighters, works every time). And not to mention the fact that even if the kick does make contact with something and doesn't miss completely, odds are its being blocked normally, and in that case the kicker would loose some balance and could be easily kicked, kneed, elbowed, punched, sweeped, etc. This of course isn't helped by the fact that TKD and Karate (for the most part) are seriously lacking in good defensive technique and footwork.
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    I think spinning kicks are worth learning if your kicking style uses mostly hip driven roundhouse kicks with the shin. Muay thai most definitely meets that condition.
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    Low percentage, but when one lands, it is a very hard hitting kick.
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    Nothing wrong with a spinning back or spinning hook kick, they can wreck your **** if they land. But then I do Yaw-Yan so I'm all about the spinning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy View Post
    Nothing wrong with a spinning back or spinning hook kick, they can wreck your **** if they land. But then I do Yaw-Yan so I'm all about the spinning.
    Small Question about Yaw-Yan:

    I've looked at some documentaries on youtube about it and I like the distance fighting with the kicks (looks quiet Muay Thai-ish), but not so much the bolo punches (or more the ratio of them thrown compared to other punches).

    Does that ratio of bolo punches also exists in in the Yaw-Yan trained in Europe or is it toned down for more traditional boxing due to the competition with Muay Thai and Kickboxing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rene "Zendokan" Gysenbergs View Post
    Small Question about Yaw-Yan:

    I've looked at some documentaries on youtube about it and I like the distance fighting with the kicks (looks quiet Muay Thai-ish), but not so much the bolo punches (or more the ratio of them thrown compared to other punches).

    Does that ratio of bolo punches also exists in in the Yaw-Yan trained in Europe or is it toned down for more traditional boxing due to the competition with Muay Thai and Kickboxing?
    I can't speak for European Yaw-Yan in general, I only have experience of my own gym.

    We do train bolos (my coach likes overhand bolos particularly) and I use them in sparring. They're not strongly emphasized though and they're treated more as a technique of opportunity than as bread-and-butter.

    When we spar we mostly use standard boxing/kickboxing hands, spinning backfists (technically a bolo punch) using the hammer/bottom of the fist, Thai-style front and round kicks as well as the downward curving Yaw-yan roundkick, spinning hook kicks and Yaw-yan back kicks (donkey kick).

    Personally I have caught people with the overhand bolo, but I certainly don't use it all the time.

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