Thread: Grapplers are not fighters:
10/07/2013 6:49pm, #11
10/07/2013 7:23pm, #12
mightwill get the wrong idea.
Can we have a one-syllable word that is between "match," and "fight," in severity? I'm open to suggestions... bout? feud? duel (depending on your dialect)?
10/07/2013 8:08pm, #13
i sure as hell know that i do. i also *clearly* remember the last time i was hit really hard (resulting in a fracture of my orbital socket) and i very clearly remember telling myself "well. that's it, i'm done with fighting. i don't ever want to be hit that hard again." it was several years ago. i have not fought since.
i competed in a judo tournament over the weekend.
edit: to be clear, i say a full contact striking match, because all of the "street fights" i have been in were really lame, and not nearly as intense as a judo tournament. so i don't rate "street fights" very highly unless i have video to watch."Face punches are an essential character building part of a martial art. You don't truly love your children unless you allow them to get punched in the face." - chi-conspiricy
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10/07/2013 8:39pm, #14
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I take the same point of view as Josh Barnett, on the Joe Rogan experience he said something along the lines that it doesn't matter what you train or how badass you are in the gym unless you step into a ring or cage with another human being who wants to break you then you are not a fighter. In a grappling match even if you always fight for a finish you don't intend to really hurt your opponent, you want to win but I don't think you set out to really hurt anyone. In full contact striking or MMA you win by doing damage until the other guy gives up or can't fight (knockout/stoppage).
So basically I agree but you have to actually get in a ring and fight someone to be a fighter, not just train in MMA or striking.
10/07/2013 9:53pm, #15
I'll come out of Bullshido retirement to be the dissenting opinion in this thread.
While I don't personally refer to my grappling matches as "fights," I don't begrudge anyone who does. To me, a fight just means a violent, strategic contest. Besides martial arts, I also play the game of Go. Intense tactical exchanges in Go are referred to by players as "fighting," where you are attempting to "kill" your opponents groups while keeping yours "alive." Similarly, I consider an intense back-and-forth grappling exchange with attacks, counters, and scrambles to be worthy of being called a "fight."
The problem with limiting the word "fight" to striking sports is that it is absolutely a slippery slope. "MMA? That's not a fight. There's no referee or rounds in a real fight!"
"A street scuffle? That's not a fight. Nobody's pulling a weapon on you!"
"An outlaw biker brawl? That's not a fight. There's no tanks or heavy ordnance."
Yes, grappling is a very different kind of fight than boxing, but that doesn't make it less of a fight. Why do we always hear about how grappling isn't a "fight," but nobody ever complains when someone says, "I'm fighting a cold?"
10/07/2013 10:02pm, #16
I'm OK with this too, but I don't have the ability to articulate it well. I've done full-contact with striking and it "felt" like a fight. I had that fear of serious injury. I've done grappling (okay, crappling) matches and didn't have that feeling, because I knew I could always submit before I got broken.
On the other hand I've been to one judo tournament and seen a girl's ulna come out of her arm and watched two guys leave on backboards. The worst I've ever seen in nearly 20 years of karate was broken ribs, noses, fingers, and toes. Maybe I shouldn't listen to my feelings on this subject.It seems to me that the Sanjuriu Martial Art is not in guestion, but, rather the character of Mr. Galt.
10/07/2013 10:52pm, #17
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10/08/2013 2:58am, #18
and I don't consider fencing fighting.
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10/08/2013 8:16am, #19I feel like you eye-bawlin' me, dawg!
10/08/2013 8:35am, #20
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To me frame of mind is the deciding factor. I feel as though I'v had grappling matches and grappling fights the fights tend to be against either new guys or mma fighters who grapple with that mindset. I'm not sure the means you use to end the fight are relevant. For instance if in a street fight you choose to choke someone unconscious rather than punch them unconscious were still in a fight?