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    You want something, they want something. You're the coach.

    So...go all Pavlovian on them: allow them to do a certain amount of striking once they've done a certain amount of rolling. The former becomes a reward for doing the latter.

    If this is done right, the best among them should get used to--and then begin to realize--the fun and utility of rolling after gaining some time and experience at it, and then you won't need Pavlov any more.

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    All the coaches need to be singing off the same hymn sheet. You won't convince them to train properly if the head coach is telling them they can do whatever they feel like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregaquaman View Post
    Because wrestling is harder physically and they are being soft cocks.

    If they won't roll gauntlet the **** out of them.

    Otherwise you could give advantage to wrestling. During sparring a guy gets subbed he does 30 sprawls. Technically you have lost.

    Other guy rests. You want to rest knock the guy down and sub him.
    Nobody will be left in the club if you do that. Negative reinforcement doesn't work on the vast majority of soft cocks. Sprawls are an important skill, you don't want to use them as punishment ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Vieux Normand View Post
    You want something, they want something. You're the coach.

    So...go all Pavlovian on them: allow them to do a certain amount of striking once they've done a certain amount of rolling. The former becomes a reward for doing the latter.

    If this is done right, the best among them should get used to--and then begin to realize--the fun and utility of rolling after gaining some time and experience at it, and then you won't need Pavlov any more.
    Now that's more of a positive feedback type approach.
    Falling for Judo since 1980

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vieux Normand View Post
    You want something, they want something. You're the coach.

    So...go all Pavlovian on them: allow them to do a certain amount of striking once they've done a certain amount of rolling. The former becomes a reward for doing the latter.

    If this is done right, the best among them should get used to--and then begin to realize--the fun and utility of rolling after gaining some time and experience at it, and then you won't need Pavlov any more.
    Now that's more of a positive feedback type approach.
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    Didn't read anybody's post past OP response to BKR:

    That being said-Shootboxing should remedy that.

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    People sitting around watching other people throw a 1-2 punch aren't learning anything. Get consensus from other coaches first, then make it a rule nobody sits around. Match up the strikers first, then make it a rule that everyone else gets a partner and then you dictate what they are going to do. Roll live, positional live, or drills. If they are sitting around you go tap 2 guys on the shoulder and instruct them to pair up and roll or drill.

    It's a MMA club. Meaning a club where you PERFORM MMA, not WATCH MMA. Watching MMA can be done with buddies ordering a PPV event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    Nobody will be left in the club if you do that. Negative reinforcement doesn't work on the vast majority of soft cocks. Sprawls are an important skill, you don't want to use them as punishment ...



    Now that's more of a positive feedback type approach.
    My other thought was let them do a fight and get bashed and embarrased in front of 800 people.

    In all honesty unless this club is a soccer mum gym the problem itself is so strange as to astound me.

    For us if you are late to conditioning sprawls.
    Late to your post sprawl.
    drop your hands pushups.
    Everybody does the punishment.

    Don't want to roll? I mentioned this to my gym they rolled around the floor laughing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Supreme View Post
    Didn't read anybody's post past OP response to BKR:

    That being said-Shootboxing should remedy that.
    Exept if they don't want to wrestle it will still be kickboxing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregaquaman View Post
    Exept if they don't want to wrestle it will still be kickboxing.
    Actually that's when you go out there and throw them on their head while they are trying to strike you. That's what I did with our local club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Supreme View Post
    Actually that's when you go out there and throw them on their head while they are trying to strike you. That's what I did with our local club.
    What no posive reenforcement?

    Dropping people on their head is good. Knee ride for four minutes and forty nine seconds worked on me as well.
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