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    Thread discourse has become ugly.

    For my brothers on the other side of the fence.

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    LOL you mean my State that has one of the largest economies in the world, Contributes more to Federal Tax dollars than it takes in and has a higher standard of living than the **** hole you live in?
    San Diego? Nice place. My kid is on a full ride, pays nothing, earned it, so yeah...his **** is free. For now. You are funny.

    Unlike your **** hole which is the worse offender of all the 50 states.
    Aint that the truth. We are the worst...due mostly to decades of libturds and to the worst asshole named Richardson as governor. Worthless **** ever. Anyway...

    Your an idiot. Its the same system every state is rolling out its an insurance exchange. The private insurance rates are down out out here. The rates are pre subsidy as the subsidy is not paid to the insurance companies but to the individuals that qualify for them. Once again you keep trying to argue about something you know nothing about? How can you be so indignant over something you know nothing about?
    So here is some information that says differently, I think you are wrong, and my job depends on this ****.

    Here's how you qualify:

    The lower your income, the larger your subsidy. For instance, those making $17,235 a year will pay no more than 4% of income, or $57 a month, while those with incomes between $34,470 and $45,960 will pay a maximum of 9.5% of income, or $364 a month. The federal government will cover the rest.

    When signing up for Obamacare, enrollees can apply for an advanced subsidy by estimating their income. Payments go directly to the insurer.

    The amount will become known after submitting an online coverage application through the insurance marketplaces, which will be operated by either the states or the federal government. Once a person signs up for a marketplace health plan, the tax credit will be sent directly to the insurance company and applied to the plan member’s monthly premiums in 2014. LINK

    Corporate regulation is not socialism. There are times where its needed. Take for example your power company. Its rates are regulated. Your automobile insurance rates are regulated. Guess what the health care rates are going to be regulated. Regulation is needed when you no longer have a 100% free market solution and sometimes even when you do. When a service is mandated it makes good sense to prevent price gouging.
    Yeah I know all about collusion, Robinson Patman or whatever, but government involvement in healthcare is going to create issues that are counter to innovation. For example, certain IPA's around the country are demanding that each doctor gets paid for 1500 panel, REGARDLESS of whether or not he/she sees them. So, in the end the government MLR, the government demanding certain things be covered IS in fact being ran by the government. I get your point on Insurance, BUT if you have no car you pay NO premium.
    I am willing to bet you over the course of my lifetime I have made more money in dividends and capital investments than you have.
    Depends on how old you are...LOL. You must be fucking old like say 90...haha

    Lol I don't even drink dude.
    Well, come work in the insurance business and you will be...

    Face it I am not nearly as liberal as you think I am. I am very liberal socially as in I don't give a **** what consenting adults want to do among themselves or to themselves until it crosses over into public space and causes problems for the public (IE driving while under the influence), When it comes to monetary policy I am extremely data driven. I am pro capitalist but I know you have to keep an eye on companies. The government is responsible to keep companies from negatively impacting the public, be it by polluting, collusion, or anything else we as a public have deemed unacceptable. I am all for companies being able to make a profit in a responsible manner. Profits, new wealth creation, and innovation are things corporations are good at.
    Well if true, I will stand corrected, (about you being a libtard) however your above mentioned claim that insureds get the subsidy I refuted. Please correct me, I had to take training with CMS that was a pain in the ass, and much of what you say while somewhat true, is in fact incorrect. Not everything, but hey since you make so much money, your new taxes LINK, your new premiums LINK, your new deductibles, your doctors waits going up ...LINK...well, take that one back, rich guys like you can see whoever they want right?

    I am far from some bleeding heart hippie.
    Well, **** me, you have my vote then. I hate them fuckers.
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    Asking you to explain your weak metaphors is "slurp... slurp..."?
    Well, been working 119 days straight dealing with the worst 'act' ever, and watching the worst ever Presidente, makes me crazy. I will work on a new one. It is getting old.
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    Well, been working 119 days straight dealing with the worst 'act' ever, and watching the worst ever Presidente, makes me crazy. I will work on a new one. It is getting old.
    And you call others Kool-Aid drinkers.

    There are plenty of valid complaints to be made about Obama, but calling him the worst ever is just more of you making up completely unrealistic expectations to rationalize your Obama hate.
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    And you call others Kool-Aid drinkers.

    There are plenty of valid complaints to be made about Obama, but calling him the worst ever is just more of you making up completely unrealistic expectations to rationalize your Obama hate.
    I gave him time, his probationary period has ran out for me.

    You get your increases, your hours cut, your pay reduced and let me know.

    Promises made:
    Budget - Lied
    Reduction of $2500 for us- Lied
    Keep your health Plans - Lied
    Benghazi- Slept
    Keep my doctor- Lied
    Unemployment will drop - Still waiting

    Has he been the greatest? Nope. Were others worse in their day? Carter Maybe? not sure, but the effects he has had on my business compared to Clinton? 180 degrees.
    Maybe he isnt the worst ever, but I don't cotton to being lied to...not one bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hungryjoe View Post
    Holy ****. Agreement on an issue.

    Republicans spent like Democrats when they had both houses of congress and the presidency. Fuckers had a chance to make real changes in spending, immigration, and entitlements (yes goodlun, I know what this term 'entitlement' covers') among others. The war in Iraq was bullshit, making many a lot of money at great expense, the heaviest being the lives and limbs of those on both side.

    I'll dare address a cut in defense spending. We don't need bases scattered worldwide to the extent we have now. It's time we stopped attempting to be the world's police.
    A pragmatic approach would be to slim the military, nudge up taxes on literally only the top .5% of households or so (the same households who've seen all the gains in income these past several years), and look at reigning in welfare fraud in its various guises.

    Taking better care of our veterans would be sensible. Because of their experiences, our vets are actually vulnerable citizens. PTSD is more prevalent than our politicians would ever admit. All politicians talk a good game about the military, but no one seems to be as on-point about post-service care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -TANK- View Post
    San Diego? Nice place. My kid is on a full ride, pays nothing, earned it, so yeah...his **** is free. For now. You are funny.
    Full ride doesn't make everything free.

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    Aint that the truth. We are the worst...due mostly to decades of libturds
    and yet blue states on average have better economies, better median incomes, and better living conditions. Yet someone how liberals are retarded? Go figure.


    Quote Originally Posted by -TANK- View Post
    The lower your income, the larger your subsidy. For instance, those making $17,235 a year will pay no more than 4% of income, or $57 a month, while those with incomes between $34,470 and $45,960 will pay a maximum of 9.5% of income, or $364 a month. The federal government will cover the rest.
    Exactly the premiums remain the same if you get a subsidy or not. Like I said the premiums are down in CA.

    Quote Originally Posted by -TANK- View Post
    Depends on how old you are...LOL. You must be fucking old like say 90...haha
    34 but for 5 years 35% of my income was going to QUALCOMMs employee stock purchase plan. That gave us the lowest stock price -15% for the 6 month cycle. QUALCOMM stock was very good very good at the time and almost always split at least once during a 6 month cycle. This hasn't been my only investments but they where by far the most no brainer and guaranteed returns. I was also heavily invested in real estate in Southern CA started just prior to the bubble.

    Quote Originally Posted by -TANK- View Post
    Well if true, I will stand corrected, (about you being a libtard) however your above mentioned claim that insureds get the subsidy I refuted.
    I didn't make a claim as to how its actually paid out. The tax payer is the one that gets the subsidy to use on what ever insurer they wish as long as the plan is eligible.
    It doesn't matter much how the payment itself is actually made.

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    out of date information and fox news
    Cute but wrong as usual I got to see my new premiums at the exchange they are way down from when I was shopping for insurance before.
    There is no mystery anymore the exchanges are up. We can see the plans the prices, and the subsidy amounts. All of it is up. The price before and after the subsidy.
    So instead of linking to old preexchange articles how about you actually go and look at the exchanges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobyclumsyninja View Post
    A pragmatic approach would be to slim the military, nudge up taxes on literally only the top .5% of households or so (the same households who've seen all the gains in income these past several years), and look at reigning in welfare fraud in its various guises.
    A more pragmatic approach would be to take about 1/2 the military funding and apply it to a job corp. We need to get people back to work, and real work, not retail or service based.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -TANK- View Post
    Promises made:
    Budget - Lied
    At the sequester levels the budget is the lowest it has been in a very long time.
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    Keep your health Plans - Lied
    I don't know a single person who is being forced to give up their current health plan. Not a single person. Not one.
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    Benghazi- Slept
    Oh for **** sakes. This just shows how retarded you are.
    BTW if you want to blame him for Benghazi then you better be prepared to give him props for Osama Bin Laden. Where you know he actually had to make a call to send in the SEALS with out telling Pakistan whats up. Geee that couldn't have blown up horribly in his face.
    Truth is neither of these things had a lot to do with him at all.
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    Keep my doctor- Lied
    Same as above I don't know anyone being forced to change doctors
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    Unemployment will drop - Still waiting
    Its much lower than it was when he came into office it still has a ways to go.
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    Full ride doesn't make everything free.
    Whatever - you come at me with claims of making **** tons of money, and then qualify it. Well good for you. My kid pays Zero for school...oh, nobody else assists him either...In fact I think he just participated in UCLA-USC-Caltech Symposium “Nanotechnology Innovations in Cancer, Regenerative Medicine and Infectious Diseases” will be held on October 17–18, 2013 at the CNSI Auditorium.

    Yes. He is that good. I love CA for that, and I hate it due to the fact he will never come home as not many jobs doing stem cell stuff here except defense jobs, and when I rode out there on my motorcycle to visit, it was a wake up call. So I will live in shithole NM for now, hell I cannot carry my gun like here, so no thanks.


    and yet blue states on average have better economies, better median incomes, and better living conditions. Yet someone how liberals are retarded? Go figure.
    Says who about blue states, National Dem Caucaus?. Seems to me every state kicking ass is ran by a non lib....so...show me a link.


    34 but for 5 years 35% of my income was going to QUALCOMMs employee stock purchase plan. That gave us the lowest stock price -15% for the 6 month cycle. QUALCOMM stock was very good very good at the time and almost always split at least once during a 6 month cycle. This hasn't been my only investments but they where by far the most no brainer and guaranteed returns. I was also heavily invested in real estate in Southern CA started just prior to the bubble.
    Dude I dont need to know that ****, I believe you. But since you mentioned Qualcomm, many employees benefit from them, qual or non qual, so good for you. Glad to hear someone is making money in CA, but if you paid 35% in you made no more than 75k amigo, and while good money, you hopefully will make more eventually- I mean it IS California, **** here you would be on easy street...and as for making more than me...at that age you certainly DID eclipse me- again...well done!

    I didn't make a claim as to how its actually paid out. The tax payer is the one that gets the subsidy to use on what ever insurer they wish as long as the plan is eligible. It doesn't matter much how the payment itself is actually made.
    This is what you said ...
    The rates are pre subsidy as the subsidy is not paid to the insurance companies but to the individuals that qualify for them.
    You did say the INSURANCE company was not paid the subsidy. I am pointing out you are wrong, if you mis-typed, cool.


    Cute but wrong as usual I got to see my new premiums at the exchange they are way down from when I was shopping for insurance before.
    Were you rated prior to the Market place opening up? If so you may have been on Medi-Cal and yes your rates would be lower of course. You a smoker? The ACA also limited the amount a youngster can get charged versus a 60 year old. Pre ACA was 5 x, now it is 3 x, so the younger rates got jacked up big time. Look at the rate between 20-21...

    There is no mystery anymore the exchanges are up. We can see the plans the prices, and the subsidy amounts. All of it is up. The price before and after the subsidy.
    So instead of linking to old preexchange articles how about you actually go and look at the exchanges.
    the Marketplace is simply for those who don't make much money and employers who already have coverage will not even go there, ALL insurance, exchange or not, must not charge for Pre-existing, so you are safe. Individuals who have insurance may not even go there. Subsidies are going to be a challenge because there is a chance one could show less income last year, make more this year and actually owe the gubment.

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