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    Quote Originally Posted by hungryjoe View Post
    Bullshit

    You fix debt by spending less than you make.
    You can't do that till you fix the structural issues. Its nice to say spend less than you make but before you can do that you have to fix the issues that keep you from being able to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    Fixed,

    No, that's you being an individual. A business works differently with that being a small part of the entire model.
    OK, good point.

    But

    Spending and lack of proper oversight over the bloated government agencies are a big part of the reason we're in the state we find ourselves today. Granted, two wars and our military budget were/are a big addition to the sum total, but we're still in a budget deficit of what, over $600,000,000,000.

    The Treasury is taking in record revenue and that clock linked earlier added over 300billion in one day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    You can't do that till you fix the structural issues. Its nice to say spend less than you make but before you can do that you have to fix the issues that keep you from being able to do so.
    Elaborate please.

    Government is the issue. It's not likely to be fixed anytime soon, but reigning in overspending can happen now. There's no will on either side due to pandering for votes.

    It does not take a complete restructure to find savings in a bloated budget.
    “The cupboard is bare. There’s no more cuts to make. It’s really important that people understand that,” Mrs. Pelosi, California Democrat, said in an interview broadcast Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union.”



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    Quote Originally Posted by hungryjoe View Post
    Elaborate please.

    Government is the issue. It's not likely to be fixed anytime soon, but reigning in overspending can happen now. There's no will on either side due to pandering for votes.

    It does not take a complete restructure to find savings in a bloated budget.
    Thats the thing the budget isn't as bloated as people want to believe there will always be a fat to cut but we really are talking about drops in an ocean.
    Here is a chart for 2014 in a per capita representation.
    http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/...104047#usgs302

    the Federal Government spends $11,820.7 per individual in the US but only collects 9492.2 per individual.

    Problem is if you go down the list of things its hard to find real cuts that are not going to have a much bigger negative effect. Cutting 2,328.5 per person is very difficult.

    On top of that we have about 57,093.9 of debt accumulated per individual.

    The solution has to come from raising revenues. No one wants to pay more taxes. What you need to do is strengthen the economy so that extra $2,328.5 per person is done organically. The only way to really get our economy going again like it was in the past is we have to start manufacturing things again. We can not have a long term economy built on consumer spending that is an entropic economic model.
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    Pretty sure he's ex military. Also thin skinned though.
    El oh el. You'd give your left nut to be able to get under my skin, shitbritches.
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    So what is the reality of all this spending?
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    Hmmmm. Shockingly, the numbers don't agree with the frothing right's current assertions.

    Who would have thought cutting taxes and increasing spending would affect the books eh? That came out of nowhere, didn't it?

    Shoot, we doubled the military budget, and now it's twice the size! Whodathunk that **** would happen?

    Government isn't supposed to make a profit, but it is money-in/money-out. Modern American Conservatism has failed ordinary basic math.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -TANK- View Post
    HE is the Worst ever President and you can stick up for his wrap sheet of college accolades that's your right. Funny how you may have more experience in running a business that Mr. Obama.
    Rap sheet of college accolades? so funny. stupid book learnin, what dat ever do for anyone?
    Quote Originally Posted by -TANK- View Post
    Just because he can read and argue and sat in school for free while you and I worked our ass off, you tip your hat to the guy for his GED, PhD, JD, LLM and whatever the **** else he got from college.
    Edumacation schmedumacation YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!
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    I am not impressed, and where is he from...yep Illinois. Last worthy soul from there is on a penny.
    please, keep going.

    Is there anything you do like about the man? He does have better hair than Nixon...you gotta give him that.
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    So what is the reality of all this spending?
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    Hmmmm. Shockingly, the numbers don't agree with the frothing right's current assertions.

    Who would have thought cutting taxes and increasing spending would affect the books eh? That came out of nowhere, didn't it?

    Shoot, we doubled the military budget, and now it's twice the size! Whodathunk that **** would happen?

    Government isn't supposed to make a profit, but it is money-in/money-out. Modern American Conservatism has failed ordinary basic math.
    My experience has been that both sides fail basic math. Both sides have their sacred cows--entitlements on the left and tax cuts and war on the right--that they refuse to admit are hugely expensive and insist on pushing forward as if they didn't cost anything at all.

    Obama has them just as much as Bush did; the reason he's not spewing money the way Bush did is that Bush got a lot more cooperation from Congress in pushing his agenda.

    Quote Originally Posted by bobyclumsyninja View Post
    Rap sheet of college accolades? so funny. stupid book learnin, what dat ever do for anyone?
    Edumacation schmedumacation YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!
    Remember, George W. Bush had a master's degree from Harvard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    Yep you are a liar, you are not in the healthcare business. The fact you keep making factual errors about both business and healthcare proves it.

    Its cute how indignant you are but based on what I see from you, you probably make like $30k a year and are getting all upset about the free loaders its loltastic.
    Well since you know everything and your ability to discuss anything of import lands back to personal attacks, and while Obamas nuts sit squarely on your chin from sunup to sun down-so excuse me while I clean up the scotch I spilled laughing at your own indignation and obvious envy of anyone who is successful. Your Sucksess is most likely at the end of a paycheck every two weeks, with some municipality stamped on it somewhere, but who fucking cares.

    Fact is, whether or not you believe or disbelieve of what I do, you cannot find anything positive about the ACA, that creates a dire need to keep it. Nothing. Yet daily the 'walls keep tumbling down all around the act know as ObamaCare'

    So keep up your bucket pushing, side to side efforts on linoleum and slurping the purple juice of socialism from the cup of lies the admin has set before you. Fool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobyclumsyninja View Post
    Rap sheet of college accolades? so funny. stupid book learnin, what dat ever do for anyone?
    Edumacation schmedumacation YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!
    please, keep going.

    Is there anything you do like about the man? He does have better hair than Nixon...you gotta give him that.
    On a personal note, I believe him to be very humorous, intelligent and entertaining. He also appears to be fearful, hesitant and careful, based on his fears. He is driven, caring and most likely a very good father, provider and husband.

    Where I digress from him are his policies, that I also hear are mainly not his own, which he admits- the Romney care he alleges HIS plan copied, the R's fucked up plan he said would not work and Hillary care, which he is careful to bring into a discussion.

    I would not pass up an opportunity to have a meal with him, as long as he is buying. But donate to his cause, I regret to inform, the answer would be...no.

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