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  1. -TANK- is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    LOL. They must have drank the kool-aid you left over.
    I dont care for any of them. Kool-aid for me would be to set term limits- junk the McCains, Reids, Pelosis, McConnells, and start over. Dealing with them newbies would be better than old blood sucking our country dry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobyclumsyninja View Post

    Most people do want to work and have their own. If you think people only become ill, homeless, or somehow unable to survive through things under their control, that's a sad story.

    I'm sure if it were someone in your family that...say...gets very sick and is booted off their insurance or can't get on some, and faces withering away, and just hitting the ER to be stabilized when it's critical, you'd just say "be responsible for your cancer, let the HMO's have their profit, it's Amurka!!!!".

    Wealth isn't some zero sum game. You should know that. Everyone does better when the most vulnerable are protected.
    Come on, really? Everyone here has access. Poor- rich*. We have a state medicaid system to handle just about everything and if the person is lucid they can get to the Barrow Institute on Medicaid. ---* Rich just have to pay cash if they don't have insurance

    Example: guy gets laid off. Fault no fault, just laid off. Gets $ 400 a week unemployment. Also some EBT at some point. Good so far.

    Then he gets a side job making about ~ $ 400 a week cash under the table. (Not a problem, I would do the same to support my family, its MY family)

    Guy get sick, hey, they may have to travel, but there is care for him.

    Its those that choose to sit on their ass and have given up. There are not jobs for them, this POTUS doesn't know how to get out of the way of business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -TANK- View Post
    Not a fantasy. No wand needed.
    Just hard work and bridge building. It can be done. I had high hopes for Obama, only to be let down. Not happy with the other nuts either.
    What you were hoping for does not exist. Like I said before, the president is a partisan politician with a partisan agenda, just like everyone else. It's not his job to make everyone get along.

    Do you think LBJ got the Civil Rights Act passed by "bridge building" with the people who believed that African Americans were subhumans polluting American culture? The American system is government by majority rule, not government by consensus. The only people ever crying out for consensus are the people who lose the votes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -TANK- View Post
    I am out of touch with reality and don't know anything about civics, politics or business
    Yep you are a liar, you are not in the healthcare business. The fact you keep making factual errors about both business and healthcare proves it.

    Its cute how indignant you are but based on what I see from you, you probably make like $30k a year and are getting all upset about the free loaders its loltastic.
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    Back to business as usual.....

    http://usdebtclock.org/

    Run your cursor over each for description and source.

    Now, for those of you thinking this ain't all bad, click that little arrow at the upper right, showing predicted debt at current spending rates for 2017.

    and, for you outside of the US.....

    http://usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html
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    and, for you outside of the US.....

    http://usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html
    I see, Japanese should be commiting seppuku, neh?

    The Irish migrating massively to US like in 19th century?

    Spaniards gullotining their politicians?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCS View Post
    I see, Japanese should be commiting seppuku, neh?

    The Irish migrating massively to US like in 19th century?

    Spaniards gullotining their politicians?
    Everyone moves to China, Russia, India or Saudi Arabia!

    South Korea ain't bad, but I'd like to see the stats on North Korea (-:
  8. goodlun is online now
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    Here is the problem the debt is the by product of our biggest problem not the problem it self you can't fix the debt with budgeting. The root cause of the debt issue is our massive trade imbalance. Work on fixing that and the debt will get fixed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    Here is the problem the debt is the by product of our biggest problem not the problem it self you can't fix the debt with budgeting. The root cause of the debt issue is our massive trade imbalance. Work on fixing that and the debt will get fixed.
    Bullshit

    You fix debt by spending less than you make.
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    Bullshit

    You fix PERSONAL debt by spending less than you make.
    Fixed,

    No, that's you being an individual. A business works differently with that being a small part of the entire model.

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