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    You know, what gets me is that this whole thing basically just causes harm for no real purpose. Whether you're for it or against it, Obama ran in ACA and won, polls show the majority of the public is for it, they've tried God knows how many bills now to repeal it with no success, and even a conservative majority Supreme Court said it passed muster. At this point the Senate says it absolutely will not repeal it, and Obama can veto it if somehow something does make it to his desk (he doesn't have to run another election)...

    It is NOT going away.

    This is all just political theater, but real people end up hurt...to my mind that is a real failure on the part of our "Representatives".

    I agree, though, that it's possible just enough of these folks are delusional enough to hold the line for awhile...then we'll see some real damage done by our own elected officials...

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    As for insurance, I can see where there could be some advantage to having just "catastrophic" coverage and saving your money away, but going completely without is risky...working in the health care system (as I did for awhile) you see just how often families can be devastated by sudden medical costs...it doesn't take much either...the costs for even just a moderate procedure and hospital stay can add up very fast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alex View Post
    so if you were suddenly hit with some kind of illness (lets say cancer) you would be fine? you would be able to foot the bill yourself?
    I wouldn't say fine as you know actually having Cancer. Could I foot the bill yes, yes I could. It would certainly suck, and it would put me from being very comfortable to being not so much. But I would still have a roof over my head, food in my belly, I would still be driving an Audi and my kid would still go to a montessori school.
    Two factors for this one I havn't spent the 70-100k I would have on insurance over the last 7-8 years.
    Two my pay is upwardly adjusted for not having the benifits IE I make 20-30k more per year than someone doing the equal job but working for someone else.

    Quote Originally Posted by alex View Post
    taking a massive chunk out of your pay isnt a big deal? do you have those funds saved up?
    Its not a matter of taking it out of my pay. Its a matter of being able to spread the payments out enough. IE Credit. So I have enough credit capacity that I can take the hit. On the off chance I need to.
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    Now don't get me wrong I look forward to the ACA because it shifts the cost benefit spectrum where it makes sense to be insured. Unfortunately though at the tax payers expense.

    I am actually more happy for the masses of people not in my position the ones stuck working pt or working a job with out benefits and without the pay bump. These are the people who will benefit and who actually do need insurance. I know that I am not your typical case.

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    Here's my problem, raise the poverty level so more people qualify for their local welfare healthcare system. You tweak what has worked for decades, instead of creating a new system that is using the same monetary resources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    Here's my problem, raise the poverty level so more people qualify for their local welfare healthcare system. You tweak what has worked for decades, instead of creating a new system that is using the same monetary resources.
    Politically folks could make too much hay out of creating more "welfare freeloaders", creating a "socialist state", and so on, despite how much common sense it makes to work within the existing infrastructure. I think originally the single payer system they first threw out there would have been more like what you're proposing to, but it got bargained away so we're left with insurance exchanges and all the rest...

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    I think single payer may have been the best option. Decouple health insurance cost from labor cost. Alas its not what we have. The cost on the exchanges out here in CA at least are looking pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    I think single payer may have been the best option. Decouple health insurance cost from labor cost. Alas its not what we have. The cost on the exchanges out here in CA at least are looking pretty good.
    I agree...single payer would at least have been less complex, which is nearly always a good thing...it does seem like the exchanges are doing what they're supposed to, but it'll take awhile before we know for sure, I think...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keslet View Post
    Politically folks could make too much hay out of creating more "welfare freeloaders", creating a "socialist state", and so on, despite how much common sense it makes to work within the existing infrastructure. I think originally the single payer system they first threw out there would have been more like what you're proposing to, but it got bargained away so we're left with insurance exchanges and all the rest...
    That's already being said. Hell, it' been said for damn near thirty plus years. You are raising the limit for actual employed people, not the "welfare freeloaders." It is the argument the politicians already make about the welfare system, too many freeloaders. Someone making a combined $55,000 qualifies to have help. Also, contrary to stupidity all "medical welfare" is not free it is a graduated pay system.

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    On another note I wounder how much vaction time most of these federal employees have saved up?

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