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    Ok so wether or not you like or hate Obamacare isn't this shutdown more of a fucking baby tantrum being thrown by a bunch of sore losers that can't get their way?? And by can't get their way I mean they have already lost the argument on this issue 41 fucking times. So instead of acting like adults they decide to **** the entire country in the ass. No make that entire world. This shutdown is bullshit based on more bullshit and it needs to stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -TANK- View Post
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    So because you disagree with the legislation, it's somehow illegally being put into place? Is it possible for you to separate your opinion on the content of the legislation and the process by which it is enacted?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeilG View Post
    So because you disagree with the legislation, it's somehow illegally being put into place? Is it possible for you to separate your opinion on the content of the legislation and the process by which it is enacted?
    Absolutely Possible -while many call it Obamacare, I call it what it is, ACA- I believe it is legal, yet poorly written.

    The thread was about Government shutdown, my Opinion was the indie mandate and the ACA was a large factor. As far as illegally being put into place - I don't recall saying it was done illegally. If I did, well- I would have to redact that.
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    my Opinion was the indie mandate and the ACA was a large factor.
    I really don't think anyone in this thread has said otherwise, and on the surface of it all its very true.

    That being said I am sure we can dig deeper and come up with deeper reasons, some of the structural issues as to why we have a group of 80 out 535 are able to shut down the government over a single issue. We can go into the Gerrymandering that has allowed an incumbency issues where we see an incumbent reelected 90% of the time. We could cover campaign financing issues where the person who spent the most money wins 90% of the time. We could cover the issues of term length , unlimited terms, 50 state strategies. Out of state and district campaign financing. The way we consume information in a largely partisan fashion. The media and how they tend to be propaganda machines for one side or the other.

    In reality this is a perfect storm of little problems coalescing around one idea don't let the other side win at all cost. It has nothing to do with the American people or a particular piece of legislation being good or bad. It has to do with the other side winning.

    This is all because Politicians are loyal to their party and not to the country. Who can blame them? Their party is who keeps the money flowing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -TANK- View Post
    Its been tried before, and failed. Like I said, reforming health care is fine, its just that special interests get their say, way to much. I am capitalist but I draw the line here...

    There is a saying in sports, 'if you make all your decisions based on what is good for the athlete {insert Patient}, you cannot go wrong'- we have not done this with the ACA. Even the dems admit this.

    So PAC's, (my own damn PAC- Financial Advisors, Insurance Reps/Brokers) screw things up. In our state, everyone had access to medical treatment. Nobody was turned away. The insured people paid dearly for this, as someone has to pay the bill. But I believe it is a state specific thing. Someone said it works in MA, fine.

    Also, what do politics have to do with my health care? Get out of my life...is my feeling. If I have a heart attack, and cannot pay the bill, I am fucked. Too bad for me. Maybe I shouldve taken better care of myself. Note: Do you really think Medicare as it is today, parts A, B, C, D will be as it is in 20 years? Not happening. Fat people, smokers, poor choice makers will pay way more, and I like the ACA when it comes to the Wellness Program. Lockheed Martin has a sweet one, they are self insurred...anyway, this legislation should not have happened. Lots of laws are 'forced', but none affect us like this one. JMO
    So, "forced" means "won a vote in Congress like every other law" and what's different about this law is that you don't like it.

    Quote Originally Posted by -TANK- View Post
    Absolutely Possible -while many call it Obamacare, I call it what it is, ACA- I believe it is legal, yet poorly written.

    The thread was about Government shutdown, my Opinion was the indie mandate and the ACA was a large factor.
    It is a large factor insofar as a group of Republicans has decided to make it a large factor, in the hope of forcing the government to accept changes they don't have the votes to make legitimately.

    As far as illegally being put into place - I don't recall saying it was done illegally. If I did, well- I would have to redact that.
    I'm pretty sure you never said that.
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    All 200 Democrats and 17 Republicans support passing a continuing resolution with no additional legislative strings attached that would reopen the federal government, which has been partially closed for a week over a bitter policy dispute between Republicans and Democrats on health care. The number 217 is significant in that it is the minimum needed for the measure to win approval in the House.

    CNNís vote count appears to bear out what President Barack Obama said on Monday.

    ďThe truth of the matter is, there are enough Republican and Democratic votes in the House of Representatives right now to end this shutdown immediately with no partisan strings attached,Ē Obama said.

    http://ktla.com/2013/10/08/votes-are...-not-the-will/

    I would just like to show you all which side wants to end the shutdown and which side wants to use it as a political agenda. 200 to 17.
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    Hey, I know! Instead of my usual boring trolls about being all self-sufficient and having that called as total BS by anyone who can actually read, I'll just play with the quote function. That's about my level.
    Playing with quote function? Sure.

    Weak--but that's expected of such as you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    I really don't think anyone in this thread has said otherwise, and on the surface of it all its very true.

    That being said I am sure we can dig deeper and come up with deeper reasons, some of the structural issues as to why we have a group of 80 out 535 are able to shut down the government over a single issue. We can go into the Gerrymandering that has allowed an incumbency issues where we see an incumbent reelected 90% of the time. We could cover campaign financing issues where the person who spent the most money wins 90% of the time. We could cover the issues of term length , unlimited terms, 50 state strategies. Out of state and district campaign financing. The way we consume information in a largely partisan fashion. The media and how they tend to be propaganda machines for one side or the other.

    In reality this is a perfect storm of little problems coalescing around one idea don't let the other side win at all cost. It has nothing to do with the American people or a particular piece of legislation being good or bad. It has to do with the other side winning.

    This is all because Politicians are loyal to their party and not to the country. Who can blame them? Their party is who keeps the money flowing.
    this is spot on. Meant to upvote.
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    Playing with quote function? Sure.

    Weak--but that's expected of such as you.
    I see you're still upset that I don't like you.

    Mind control baby. Keeping you in check like I did the teenie boppers in high school who all wanted me to love them.

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