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    LOL, so a conservative group's list of amendments that were not adopted proves the Republicans won no concessions. Cool.

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    I think you need to look up "minority," in the dictionary.
    80 Republicans in the House have signed their name to this strategy. That's about a third of the Republicans and about a fifth of the House of Representatives total. Even if we allow for the possibility that there's another chunk of Republicans who are on board with this but don't have the balls to say so, we might not even be talking about a majority of Republicans and we're certainly not talking about a majority of the House of Representatives.

    If the Tea Partiers had the votes to defeat the Senate resolution, they would. They haven't allowed it to come to a vote, because they don't have the numbers to win that vote, because they're a minority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OwlMatt View Post
    80 Republicans in the House have signed their name to this strategy. That's about a third of the Republicans and about a fifth of the House of Representatives total. Even if we allow for the possibility that there's another chunk of Republicans who are on board with this but don't have the balls to say so, we might not even be talking about a majority of Republicans and we're certainly not talking about a majority of the House of Representatives.

    If the Tea Partiers had the votes to defeat the Senate resolution, they would. They haven't allowed it to come to a vote, because they don't have the numbers to win that vote, because they're a minority.
    Here, learn something:

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...osing-boehner/

    The irony that I linked to ThinkProgress to defeat your point should not be lost on you.
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    Here, learn something:

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...osing-boehner/

    The irony that I linked to ThinkProgress to defeat your point should not be lost on you.
    How, exactly, does that defeat my point?
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    You missed my point. In an insurance situation any profit the company makes off of me is my own wasted money.
    So if you feel this way- as it is your opinion, ANY money you spend at a restaurant, bank, auto repair, investment management company etc., is a waste. So don't buy it, keep your money, or buy the bronze and hope for the best- I default to devils comments-

    That good profit as you say is the wasted consumer money. Insurance doesn't create anything. It takes more of your money in than it puts out for the services you can get without them.
    Please explain how a profit is wasted. IN the case of a stock company, the profit is measured and called an earning, and a portion is called a dividend is then sent to the stock holders. In the case of a mutual company, same thing, only the policy owners are rewarded with a return. Look at USAA.


    Yes everything they do is to make sure that they take in more money than they will have to payout this is how insurance works we all know this. This is why for the most part its not a great investment for an individual to get. They have factored your risk and charge an appropriate amount to exceed what they will have to pay out.
    Insurance is not an investment, clearly you have been ripped off and misled. Now is the time to educate yourself rather than spew untruths- Education may just help your children

    ACA leaves it alone. The insurances companies had huge buy in during the drafting of the legislation trust me they are VERY happy with ACA. Their customer base is going to swell. Guess what private insurance is still doing the work in ACA.
    Not true, ACA does not work entirely. Insurance companies were told to shut the **** up and play ball. They were told EVERYONE would be insured and
    a) Medicaid would pay them at a lower participation rate
    b) Penalties would account for losses, AND if there were LOSSES they could ask the government for some consideration


    You mean the healthcare plan that is largely based on the one in MA created by a republican thinktank?
    The Wright brothers were NOT the only guys to come up with the idea to fly, THEY were the ones who made it work. Several before them tried and failed. good ideas are like sand on the beach

    and right here is where your showing your ignorance. This is probably because you believe in the mythical frivolous lawsuit. Tort limits the liability this is not a good thing by any stretch. It ties the hands of Judges and Jurries to award what they think are appropriate damages. Often setting caps at very low levels often around $250,000 sometimes these caps care well bellow what is even needed to cover the real damages done in continuing medical bills. A tort suit is often ones only weapon to bring about compliance of very large companies. Tort reform sounds good until you actually need to sue someone than you start to see how much bullshit it really is.
    Look, my ignorance? Funny. I said Tort reform and you come at me with this ****? Texas DID add Tort language and its working. Negligence I have no problem with it in the med field with no limit. But capping certain results will be a good start to making Malpractice insurance reasonable. Oh wait you're too stupid to understand the evil insurance company asking 80k a year so Dr Jones can deliver the breached baby on crack and THEN get sued when the child dies- Docs leave the med profession because of costs, they aren't perfect. Well they may argue this one...(Medical Tort Reform- I sure don't want to infringe on your right and ability to sue some unsuspecting company for YOUR poor planning, poor decision making and poor performance- because nobody including me is for Large companies running over the tiny unsuspecting consumer- but Doc Jones should not be blamed for poor results when they are sued because the fat ladies heart failed after her belly band didnt work- happens all the time by the way.)

    So its ok for insurance companies that don't create anything new to make a profit but Rx companies that actually make products that save lives can't make a profit? Rx companies the take huge risk and spend tons of cash in R&D are not allowed to reap what they sow? Or are you talking about the errors that they make which you just said should be protected by tort reform.
    Don't create anything? (another day perhaps) Again you are wrong here- Rx companies have caused some of the biggest results in longevity, BUT since 96 they have attacked the public with advertising- shame on the FDA for allowing this- and now more than ever people self prescribe. Allegra was one of the first...huge expense to insurance companies. Now slow down and read carefully...Patients do not need to self prescribe. Look at the commercial xeljanz I think. 40 seconds of 'we do this' and the rest of the minute and a half of 'you may die ****' from taking it. Rx are one of the biggest PAC's. By the way, their PROFITS are epic.

    Do you think for yourself at all or do you just listen to talking points all day?
    How is everyone not using the law of large numbers? The individual mandate is the large numbers.
    ad hominem, I am in the business, so I see this, I don't watch cable, I do actual research for my clients. The Individual mandate does not work. Do you homework. 30 mill uninsured, we will only insure about half or little less. Oh, the penalty? Come on dumbass. One decent claim, even at reduced Medicaid rates will skew your argument against the mandate. Poor person either way is taken care of. Hits ER, gets help, has no insurance- Paid $ 95 or 1%, and walks or limps out. The state picks up the tab dumbass. So nothing has changed. Nothing except we collected...what? From this guy who doesn't file a return? haha, don't work. Liberal dream...

    [QUOTE]I am all for the haves and have not's except when the data show the haves will have even more when you give the have nots certain things.
    I don't support that ACA cause I am some ***** liberal,
    What? I didnt call you a *****? Getting close, your arguments lack logic.
    the economics behind it gasp actually shows it saves us more money in the long run and makes the plebeian cast better workers.
    Don't fool yourself your part of the plebeian cast. Its cute how you don't think you are.
    The haves will always have more- they find a way, they work hard, they learn and make changes to adapt, overcome. To win. The ACA could work if it was overhauled by about 50%. I dont hate it. It was done and you know the bitch that sold it even said- 'Wait until we open it' kind of ignorant ****. "

    Horseshit. The republicans didn't want to play ball at all. So **** them. BHO took a republican think tank form of health care reform that has been very popular in the state it was introduced in. One that has shown to be financially prudent. Offered it up. You could talk about all this ramming **** if you know we actually ended up with say a single payer system but we didn't.
    They rammed it. Single payer is gubment ran ****. Socialism at its finest. If you like that, try Greece, Italy. Canada. Sister is NICU Nurse in Boise. She indicated many Canadians go there to have high risk pregs. Nice profit (evil fuckers) for the hospital, because its the Canadians that HAVE money- ACA creates a bigger divide.

    You might have had a point here except for two factors.
    One this isn't government run health care, its private health care with government subsides. Two the budget office has shown in the long run it improves our economy.
    Improve the economy? Almost all my small business clients have decided to run under 50 employees. Your statement FAILS. Horribly, now you have NO goal to grow, no dreams to get bigger...Please tell me you are just posting to have something to do. Business owners also LOVE their employees. They want the best for them.

    It is government run health care, and it sucks. They just copied Medicare over to pre-65, they even adopted COBRA way of counting FTE. Do you homework.
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    I wish you were a better poster.
    You didn't get your wish? Loser.

    I don't enjoy talking to you.
    Doing things you don't enjoy? Loser.

    I love to argue with thought provoking people or even outright nutjobs like Boby. At least he balances his lack of intelligence with entertaining drama.
    Expecting things and then not getting them? Loser.

    With you I'm always just left with an unsatisfied feeling, like why is this weird corny ************ talking to me?
    Ditto.

    What you don't like is that the "loser" as defined in your excellent source, by taking your wallet, benefits materially at your expense.

    Let's waste a little more bandwidth, shall we? One assumes that such an outright individualist as yourself is one of those Freeman-On-The-Land types. That would be a consistent position for you to take.

    If you aren't a freeman, then you are either unwilling or unable to keep government collectors and welfare-recipients from spit-roasting you (whichever 'loser' plows whichever end).

    If the former is the case, you are a hypocrite.

    If the latter is true, you are simply weaker than the 'losers'.
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    You didn't get your wish? Loser.



    Doing things you don't enjoy? Loser.



    Expecting things and then not getting them? Loser.



    Ditto.

    What you don't like is that the "loser" as defined in your excellent source, by taking your wallet, benefits materially at your expense.

    Let's waste a little more bandwidth, shall we? One assumes that such an outright individualist as yourself is one of those Freeman-On-The-Land types. That would be a consistent position for you to take.

    If you aren't a freeman, then you are either unwilling or unable to keep government collectors and welfare-recipients from spit-roasting you (whichever 'loser' plows whichever end).

    If the former is the case, you are a hypocrite.

    If the latter is true, you are simply weaker than the 'losers'.

    I have mind control over you. All I had to do was tell you I think you're a shitty poster and you started block quoting my casual musings to get revenge. Loser.
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    Damn.

    If I could just get past these three words without cracking up, I'd be able to read the rest of it.

    Well done, Devil.
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    Oh ****. He's embarrassing me. Let me try another tactic to save face. Can't use block quotes now. He already clowned me about that. I know I'll get punked if I rage at him and show my butthurt. I don't want to look like a retard in front of my e-friends. Maybe this will work.
    Excellent effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OwlMatt View Post
    How, exactly, does that defeat my point?
    If a majority of the House actually disagreed with Boehner, they could remove him as Speaker. The fact that this has already been discussed in liberal circles about the same man regarding similar legislation tells me that there's more than 80 people who agree with the strategy, but there's only 80 people who are willing to publicly say so.


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    LOL, so a conservative group's list of amendments that were not adopted proves the Republicans won no concessions. Cool.
    You made a claim. I provided "proof," that your claim was false. If you want to refute my proof, provide your proof, not asshattery.
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    Wrong on two counts. First, Obamacare is not a secret back room deal. It was debated hotly on the legislative floor, where the Republicans were able to get a lot of concessions and amendments, and we all got to watch it play out on the news.

    Second, Obamacare didn't cause the shutdown. What caused the shutdown was a minority of the House Republicans trying to defeat Obamacare by means other than the legislative process.
    When the majority of Americans do not want this ACA in its form as it stands, and no agreement to delay the individual mandate cannot be had, at a time when our debt is out of control, no budget now for how long? How are those elected to fight for what they think is right supposed to do? Neither party has MY best interests at heart.

    Cool, but let's amend it according to the established legislative process, rather than being whiny children and refusing to let the government function until we get our way.
    Yes- if we could only get rid of the extremists on both sides, it would have been done.

    I should warn you: Devil doesn't give reach-arounds.
    Uhhh. Yeah- You some kind of homo? Leave me out of your homo ****. What you and Devil do in your private time is none of my business. (had to look this **** up-sicko)


    By "RAMMED the ACA down our throats", do you mean "won a vote in Congress"? Because that's what they did. You can't claim that it's the will of the people when you win a vote and then complain that something is being rammed down your throat when you lose one.
    Won a vote. Ok, so who really wanted this? If failed as anything EXCEPT a tax. A tax. SCOTUS blinked on this one...the indie mandate, the medicaid, etc. Leave the states to do this. Or charity...charity works better less hands in the pot.


    The shutdown was never anything but an anti-Obamacare stunt by a minority of House Republicans. The group making this happen isn't big enough to win any votes, so why should anyone feel obligated to compromise with them?
    So while I cannot disagree with this...I don't believe any of the moderates have the nuts to do the right thing. In the end, the left will suffer from this. Rates going through the roof, huge out of pockets, less docs, etc.

    ...reach around's? what is this country coming to...?

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