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  1. ChenPengFi is offline
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    "Increasing leverage" is an attainable and worthwhile goal, "finding examples of simple levers" is not so much.
    Unfortunately (for your article) the former is best done through training, not pontification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChenPengFi View Post
    "Increasing leverage"...is best done through training, not pontification.
    So that's what I've been doing wrong all these years.

    Those little...fucking...details.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChenPengFi View Post
    "Increasing leverage" is an attainable and worthwhile goal, "finding examples of simple levers" is not so much.
    Unfortunately (for your article) the former is best done through training, not pontification.
    Well, the premise of the article initially was applying his scientific bent to some MA examples, not necessarily increasing his own leverage when applying a technique...doing the "Fight Science" thing with correct scientific method. Maybe the takeaway from all this is simply that it's going to take a more complicated model than a simple lever to address these types of techniques...could still be a worthwhile venture...
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    Oh geez, are they gonna have to cram even MORE physics equations in the cyber-ether surrounding Silver Surfers fighting each other?
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    Oh geez, are they gonna have to cram even MORE physics equations in the cyber-ether surrounding Silver Surfers fighting each other?
    Is it even possible to have too many physics equations crammed into the cyber-ether? That's crazy talk!
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    First page of google for "classification of Judo throws biomechanically"

    Might be a good starting point for levers...maybe something about joint locks buried in there as well.

    Biomechanical Classification of Judo Throwing Techniques ... - arXiv
    arxiv.org/pdf/0806.4091‎
    by A Sacripanti - ‎2008 - ‎Cited by 5 - ‎Related articles
    Biomechanical Classification of Judo Throwing Techniques (Nage Waza). Attilio Sacripanti. ENEA. University of Tor Vergata Roma. Italian Wrestling.
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    Biomechanics of Kuzushi-Tsukuri and Interaction in ... - arXiv
    arxiv.org/pdf/1010.2658‎
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    phase. Remembering that the biomechanical classification of throws in judo is able to group all techniques (considering only the Kake phase), under two specific ...
    Biomechanical Classification of Throwing Techniques - Judopedia
    http://www.judopedia.com/.../Biomech...8206;Translate this page
    50+ items - The journal paper "Biomechanical Classification of Judo ...
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    Kuchiki-taoshi
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    くちきたおし
    One handed throw down.
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    COMPARISON OF SOME BIOMECHANICAL SPATIAL, TEMPORAL ...
    http://www.elingueiusmlearn.it/tempu...1.pd...‎
    techniques executed by the lever force onto opponent's body. • Other classifications of judo throw techniques: leg throws, hand throws etc…. Biomechanical ...
    Evaluation of Vertical Ground Reaction Forces During a Hip ...
    ejmas.com/pt/2011pt/ptart_zaggelidis_1108.html‎
    by G ZAGGELIDIS - ‎1908 - ‎Related articles
    A heterogeneous group of 20 male and female judo competitors participated in this ... Technique was selected according to the biomechanical classification of ... Throw techniques are dominant factor in the complex fighting movements of judo ...
    Biomechanical Classification of Judo Throwing Techniques (Nage ...
    cds.cern.ch › Home › Articles & Preprints › Preprints‎
    by A Sacripanti - ‎2008 - ‎Cited by 5 - ‎Related articles
    Jun 26, 2008 - In this paper it is applied the classic mechanical point of view to classify all the movements known as throwing judo techniques; the application ...
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    Combat Sports Special Issue Research article A THREE - Journal of ...
    www.jssm.org/combat/1/16/v5combat-16.pdf‎
    by RT Imamura - ‎2006 - ‎Cited by 19 - ‎Related articles
    Jul 1, 2006 - from a biomechanical perspective (Harter and Bates, ... Kano classified techniques into phases ... Judo throwing techniques are comprised of.
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    Techniques frequently used during London Olympic judo ...
    www.archbudo.com/fulltxt.php?ICID=1057761‎
    Key words: judo • biomechanical classification • technical analysis. Author's address: ... Kodokan Judo Institute [5], with throws including hand techniques, loin ...
    Techniques frequently used during London Olympic judo tournaments
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    by S Sterkowicz - ‎2013 - ‎Cited by 1
    The aim of the study was contemporary coaching tendencies in women s and men s judo with particular focus on a biomechanical classification of throws and ...
    Biomechanical classification of judo throwing techniques (Nage Waza)
    http://www.academia.edu/.../Biomecha...ng_t...‎
    Jan 1, 2008 - Academia.edu helps academics follow the latest research.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    First page of google for "classification of Judo throws biomechanically"

    Might be a good starting point for levers...maybe something about joint locks buried in there as well.

    Biomechanical Classification of Judo Throwing Techniques ... - arXiv
    arxiv.org/pdf/0806.4091‎
    by A Sacripanti - ‎2008 - ‎Cited by 5 - ‎Related articles
    Biomechanical Classification of Judo Throwing Techniques (Nage Waza). Attilio Sacripanti. ENEA. University of Tor Vergata Roma. Italian Wrestling.
    [PDF]
    Biomechanics of Kuzushi-Tsukuri and Interaction in ... - arXiv
    arxiv.org/pdf/1010.2658‎
    by A Sacripanti - ‎2010 - ‎Cited by 1 - ‎Related articles
    phase. Remembering that the biomechanical classification of throws in judo is able to group all techniques (considering only the Kake phase), under two specific ...
    Biomechanical Classification of Throwing Techniques - Judopedia
    http://www.judopedia.com/.../Biomech...8206;Translate this page
    50+ items - The journal paper "Biomechanical Classification of Judo ...
    Romanization
    Kanji
    Kana
    Translation.
    Kuchiki-taoshi
    朽木倒
    くちきたおし
    One handed throw down.
    [PDF]
    COMPARISON OF SOME BIOMECHANICAL SPATIAL, TEMPORAL ...
    http://www.elingueiusmlearn.it/tempu...1.pd...‎
    techniques executed by the lever force onto opponent's body. • Other classifications of judo throw techniques: leg throws, hand throws etc…. Biomechanical ...
    Evaluation of Vertical Ground Reaction Forces During a Hip ...
    ejmas.com/pt/2011pt/ptart_zaggelidis_1108.html‎
    by G ZAGGELIDIS - ‎1908 - ‎Related articles
    A heterogeneous group of 20 male and female judo competitors participated in this ... Technique was selected according to the biomechanical classification of ... Throw techniques are dominant factor in the complex fighting movements of judo ...
    Biomechanical Classification of Judo Throwing Techniques (Nage ...
    cds.cern.ch › Home › Articles & Preprints › Preprints‎
    by A Sacripanti - ‎2008 - ‎Cited by 5 - ‎Related articles
    Jun 26, 2008 - In this paper it is applied the classic mechanical point of view to classify all the movements known as throwing judo techniques; the application ...
    [PDF]
    Combat Sports Special Issue Research article A THREE - Journal of ...
    www.jssm.org/combat/1/16/v5combat-16.pdf‎
    by RT Imamura - ‎2006 - ‎Cited by 19 - ‎Related articles
    Jul 1, 2006 - from a biomechanical perspective (Harter and Bates, ... Kano classified techniques into phases ... Judo throwing techniques are comprised of.
    [PDF]
    Techniques frequently used during London Olympic judo ...
    www.archbudo.com/fulltxt.php?ICID=1057761‎
    Key words: judo • biomechanical classification • technical analysis. Author's address: ... Kodokan Judo Institute [5], with throws including hand techniques, loin ...
    Techniques frequently used during London Olympic judo tournaments
    adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2013arXiv1308.0716S
    by S Sterkowicz - ‎2013 - ‎Cited by 1
    The aim of the study was contemporary coaching tendencies in women s and men s judo with particular focus on a biomechanical classification of throws and ...
    Biomechanical classification of judo throwing techniques (Nage Waza)
    http://www.academia.edu/.../Biomecha...ng_t...‎
    Jan 1, 2008 - Academia.edu helps academics follow the latest research.
    Huh, well...there you go. Seems to be kind of on the nose, really...maybe you could build onward from these works, Doc...

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    Huh, well...there you go. Seems to be kind of on the nose, really...maybe you could build onward from these works, Doc...

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    I thought the scientific method included researching previous works. But then my degree is in geology, LOL.
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    I thought the scientific method included researching previous works. But then my degree is in geology, LOL.
    Yeah, typically it would, at least in my experience...maybe Dr. Awesome knows all about these and was coming at it in a different way, though...or if this was a casual project maybe he just hadn't done a lit review yet...I can't speak for him, but I'll be interested to hear what he makes of these references you've identified...just from the short abstracts that are attached it seems like at least one is pretty close to his original question...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keslet View Post
    Yeah, typically it would, at least in my experience...maybe Dr. Awesome knows all about these and was coming at it in a different way, though...or if this was a casual project maybe he just hadn't done a lit review yet...I can't speak for him, but I'll be interested to hear what he makes of these references you've identified...just from the short abstracts that are attached it seems like at least one is pretty close to his original question...
    Yup.

    There's a lot of prior work in both biomechanics and kinesiology, but I originally had no intention to take techniques and break them down scientifically. What I was shooting for was a little more "how can I make levers and leverage work for me in a fight" as an accessible and conceptual piece for fighters who don't normally deal with equations (I even avoided using the word "fulcrum" throughout the piece).

    But now that the conversation really has become more of a breakdown of specific techniques and examples (and really this is one of my favorite threads so far) I feel like I should shut my face and get reading.

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