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  1. Rain Bird is offline

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    Posted On:
    11/29/2002 8:09pm


     

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    Somebody mentioned this in another thread but I felt it deserved a thread of its own:

    Do Ring systems work on the street?

    I'll start off with MT. While at striking range I feel that MT is a very powerful art. One of the best as far as striking is concerned. I relate to the "Science of 8 limbs" (2 hands, 2 elbows, 2 knees, 2 feet/shins) and each is an effective striking tool.

    I doubt many street attackers could absorb a couple of low line kicks to the thighs or ball of the knee. However, if the fight passed striking range the MT boxer has no grappling techniques. And since most fights go to the ground this is where the weakness in the system lies.

    However, if a street fight goes to the ground you have already phuckked up. Since the aggressor may have friends (all willing to kick your head in once you are down) and your movement is seriously restricted. The possibility of a knife or other edged weapon make grappling on the street highly dangerous. So with all this in mind and taking a 5 second (if that) fight scenerio. How does the MT boxer hold up in a street fight.

    IMHO he/her stands a good chance. Powerful strikes, foot work and timing are the plus'. No grappling, weapon skills, throws are the negatives.

    How do you think the other ring systems would fare?

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    But in a street fighter the Thai Boxer better not get closer than striking range and if he does, thats when you use your clinch/knees to hurt them. IMO, not many street attackers could take knees to the leg or the head.
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    You won't get much better than Thai, I don't care where the fight is, PROVIDING you have the POWER to use it.

    I don't mean the power of greyskull, I mean the physical power, strength and agression to make it work.

    It is useless for a 9 stone woman to learn Thai, you need to be powerful.

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    >PROVIDING you have the POWER to use it.

    I don't mean the power of greyskull, I mean the physical power, strength and agression to make it work.

    This can be said for many arts out there.


    Rain Bird,

    You have to remember that "RING SYSTEMS" derived from actual COMBAT systems. MT was not developed as a ring art but a fighting art. You don't see the joint locks that are in MT in the ring becuase the venue doesn't allow it. Even toned down they are going to have elements that will work in any situation.

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    hmm,
    but the thais themselves are small in stature.
    care to comment SLJ ?

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    but the thais themselves are small in stature.
    All that means is that they're the same size as each other. An MA is created to fight those around you, not hypothetical enemies. Theres no point in training to fight giants or midgets if there aren't any around you. In the case of the 9 stone woman, she can still be very effective in fighting those in a similar size/weight class.

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    well let's take the thai roundhouse kick for example. before muay thai became famous, no one else knew how to throw their weight along with their kicks (ie. snapping). my point is, because the thais are small themselves, they've developed the kick to maximize their power output. of course a bigger guy utilizing the same technique would produce more power than a smaller size guy but can anyone think of a kick that's more devastating than the thai roundhouse with the same range and trajectory it travels?

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    All that means is that they're the same size as each other. An MA is created to fight those around you, not hypothetical enemies. Theres no point in training to fight giants or midgets if there aren't any around you. In the case of the 9 stone woman, she can still be very effective in fighting those in a similar size/weight class.
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    I partially agree with this. However, there are lots of cases of Thai champs at ~150lbs beating >180lb champs from other countries. do a lookup on Pudpad Noy Worawoot. That kick has a lot of power in it even for a small person. I wouldn't want to get hit with it by *anyone* who can do it properly.

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    >hmm,
    but the thais themselves are small in stature.
    care to comment SLJ ?

    Sam is correct, all that means is they're the same size as each other.

    I would never say thai isn't effective, I believe it is very effective, it just depends on the size and power of your opponent.

    A 9 stone lady trying to use thai against a 13 stone man is going to grabbed and snapped like a pencil.




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    its called cross training. in order to be a true fighter you must be trained in all ranges of attack. using all your weapons is essential to victory. I cross train so i am ready for everything and i can go agaist everyones weakness. UFC fighters figured this out and thats why they are good at every aspect of fighting. The newer ufcs anyway, The point i am trying to get across is , you need these basic 3 inorder to become a powerful fighter. Strong kicks for when they are out of the reach of your arms, Strong punchs/knee/elbow/head attacks for when they get within arms lengh. Good standing and ground grappling skills. if you have all three ranges of attacks masterd you are now a good figher. Now you ask how do ring fighting sports do on the street. Very well to be honest because these fighters fight full contact and no what they are doing and are well trained for any kind of attack. People always bring up the point what if they have friends or pull a gun, Well just like any normal person they are in trouble , People who are in ufc are trained fighters and are not made out of steal. You cant do much when 7 people surround you and beat you up. there is only so much you can do, Most of the **** comes from the tradional martial artist who think they can disarm knife/gun wielding people. When it is way far from the truth, Not only is there a high risk of some sort of fatality when there are weapons. The best opion is to run. Some tradional Martial artist can hold there own but there are only a few and they are far between most are just in this mind set that they can do amazing things with there katas etc. The truth is the reason you dont see tradional martial artist fighting in UFC is because they cant cut it, Look at the iceman , he used to do kenpo realized it didnt work well and changed his intire style. (but i seem to be rambling on time to go back to the subject) MIxed martial arts or any fighting really works when you can master all three ranges of conbat and that is the truth, its kind of intresting when someone gets in a fight there are only 5 things you can do as a human. these 5 things are. He can fight , Flee , hide , summon aid, or try to appease his assailant. You have to choose one of these when confronted in a situation. IF you want to learn how to fight , Look at what is proven to work in the ring and its been proven for 8 years now what truely works and what dosnt the rest is up to YOU!
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