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  1. DdlR is offline
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    "Engaging toughs": pressure testing and sparring in neo-Bartitsu training

    http://www.bartitsu.org/index.php/20...itsu-training/

    A new article on the Bartitsu Society website, discussing the importance of sparring and pressure-testing in the context of reviving E.W. Barton-Wright's "New Art of Self-Defence".
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    Decent enough article. I definitely agree with the point of the article. Padding pollutes, pain teaches, and fire tests metal.

    "He must have seen his blood flow have his teeth
    crackle under the blow of his adversary, have dashed to earth with
    such force as to feel the weight of his foe, and disarmed twenty times.
    He must twenty times retrieved his failures, more set than ever
    upon the combat. Then will he be able to confront actual war with the
    hope of being victorious" - 14th century poem by Rodger of Haveden

    Not to be too much of a critic, but as a piece of writing it is lacking. It doesn't end on a strong note or have much of a conclusion at all. For such a vibrant and engaging topic, you'd think the person writing could have done a better job.
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    We were all happy when a nearby Bartitsu Club came to spar. The actual result was dubious. I got a 15 minute lecture that we were using the wrong kind of cane and that therefore our technique was completely wrong, based on the history of lathi use in the Indian police... followed by the guy spraining his own elbow trying to swing a cane within a minute. Highly impressive stuff!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUnique View Post
    We were all happy when a nearby Bartitsu Club came to spar. The actual result was dubious. I got a 15 minute lecture that we were using the wrong kind of cane and that therefore our technique was completely wrong, based on the history of lathi use in the Indian police... followed by the guy spraining his own elbow trying to swing a cane within a minute. Highly impressive stuff!
    Please clarify. Are you saying that the visiting personage was basing his interpretation of the proper Bartitsu cane upon the Lathi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lklawson View Post
    Please clarify. Are you saying that the visiting personage was basing his interpretation of the proper Bartitsu cane upon the Lathi?

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    "Personage"? Yeah, the bloke was explaining his theories on such (via Lang and his time in the Indian police maybe? But I thought Lang was post-Vigny? I wasn't paying much attention) and then demonstrating part of why I struggled to take him seriously.
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    Lang is post-Vigny, in the sense that his book was published about 15 years after the heyday of the Vigny system. Lang makes an oblique reference to Vigny in his introduction, calling him "Vigui", "of whom little is heard these days". In fact, at the time Lang's book was published Vigny was a successful physical culture and combat sports instructor living in Switzerland, but he definitely wasn't making as much international news as he had been circa 1900-1910.

    Lang's system was certainly based on Vigny's, and Lang also claimed an influence from a Caribbean stickfighting art called bois, which was almost certainly a variation of the kalinda method that's still practiced in Trinidad:



    The clearest exposition of the "pure" Vigny system was via Barton-Wright's magazine articles but Lang's book goes into far more technical detail, so most revivalists draw from both sources. The type of stick Lang recommends is distinctly different from the classic Vigny cane, which was essentially rattan with a steel ball handle; OTOH, Lang was writing mostly for police officers rather than for civilians.

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