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    Quote Originally Posted by submessenger View Post
    Not sure where you're going with the gun thing, but you're way off on your insinuation about my morals. You have no idea how much money I give to what charities - to consider me immoral because I can't or won't do more is just trolling.
    It is nice that you give money to charity but that is not the topic here.

    Quote Originally Posted by submessenger View Post
    I never suggested they should be denied medical treatment. Let them have as much treatment for their self-induced condition that they can afford.
    So you want to deny treatment for poor people?

    Also people donÔŅĹt spent as much as they can afford. They will spent as much as they get credit and as much as family will pay. And if they cant pay it back, who will have to pay? Oh yes, society. Much better.


    Quote Originally Posted by cualltaigh View Post
    ii. Fair Valuing a person would be difficult but it stands to reason that a healthy, educated, experienced, socially connected and happy person is far more valuable to a family/employer/country. An initial valuation would also highlight the potential value within the asset versus where it currently stands.
    All people are equal but some a more valuable. ;)

    You might be wrong with it being difficult, it might be actually practically impossible. Sure you can try and make something up and maybe that would even have some limited use but will it be an objective measurement for the value a person has for society?

    Though about the part of showing people what society hast done for them, all power to you. Especially the people that like to bitch about "big government" need this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killface View Post
    So you want to deny treatment for poor people?
    These people are not poor. How many starving people in the world would literally kill for just a small portion of what these gluttons have shoved into their mouths? Your priorities are severely displaced. Obesity is not a poor man's disease, it is the inevitable result of too much wealth.

    (edit) I can't believe I just argued against being too rich... please shame me publicly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killface View Post

    You might be wrong with it being difficult, it might be actually practically impossible. Sure you can try and make something up and maybe that would even have some limited use but will it be an objective measurement for the value a person has for society?
    We already do that
    see this
    [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Euromoenterogsedler.jpg/756px-Euromoenterogsedler.jpg[/IMG]
    Your ability to generate money is directly related to what you provide society. We can get all touch feely and **** but at the end of the day it boils down to this. Its how we as a society place "value" now you can certainly argue about our fucked up priorities as a society with certain individuals but in the end it is how we as a society measure our access to resources and measure of what peoples time and the what not is worth.

    Not all people are created equal I am sick of hearing that bullshit there are simply people who are better for society than others. How we treat those differences is a whole different argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by submessenger View Post
    These people are not poor. How many starving people in the world would literally kill for just a small portion of what these gluttons have shoved into their mouths? Your priorities are severely displaced. Obesity is not a poor man's disease, it is the inevitable result of too much wealth.

    (edit) I can't believe I just argued against being too rich... please shame me publicly.
    Now you sound reasonable.

    In the richer parts of the world though, you can be obese while living from welfare. Also medical fees can even become a problem for "middle class" people.
    As we can produce food quite cheaply these days, obesity isnít exactly a problem of the higher classes anymore.

    You could try to argue that the money for medical treatment of obesity could be better spent in developing nations where people are starving. This could be theoretically reasonable to say but in practice it isnít even possible to link the obesity to the illness people have. Obese people have just an higher risk of getting health issue. Just like people that donít sleep enough, smoke and so on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killface View Post


    So you want to deny treatment for poor people?
    We have programs in place for lower income families in all states. In all actuality, in America, the system is widely broken. You'd have to fix the definition of poor. The class divide is huge to the point where middle class salaries are now considered "poor."

    Also medical fees can even become a problem for "middle class" people.
    It already is a problem. Poor is a broad term and is hard to quantify.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    Your ability to generate money is directly related to what you provide society.
    So a parent raising children properly is providing NOTHING to society? Someone programming free software that gets widely used in industry provides NOTHING to society? Tesla being quite poor, providing NOTHING worthwhile for society?

    A banker earning lets say hundred times more than a nurse is hundred times more valuable than the nurse for society?

    Market value and value for society are different things. And no society is not all about money. We call streets after the Curie family even though they were piss poor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killface View Post
    Now you sound reasonable.

    In the richer parts of the world though, you can be obese while living from welfare. Also medical fees can even become a problem for "middle class" people.
    As we can produce food quite cheaply these days, obesity isnít exactly a problem of the higher classes anymore.

    You could try to argue that the money for medical treatment of obesity could be better spent in developing nations where people are starving. This could be theoretically reasonable to say but in practice it isnít even possible to link the obesity to the illness people have. Obese people have just an higher risk of getting health issue. Just like people that donít sleep enough, smoke and so on.
    Dude, if you're going to move the goalposts, at least stay on the same field. But, I'm glad you agree with me.
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    Dana White a lot of people love you,

    Could you please comment on this thread soon? Fat people are still fat and go fatter every second they are not forced to train Striking and grappling,

    Please consider this project.

    My kindest Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by killface View Post
    So a parent raising children properly is providing NOTHING to society? Someone programming free software that gets widely used in industry provides NOTHING to society? Tesla being quite poor, providing NOTHING worthwhile for society?

    A banker earning lets say hundred times more than a nurse is hundred times more valuable than the nurse for society?

    Market value and value for society are different things. And no society is not all about money. We call streets after the Curie family even though they were piss poor.
    Woooooooooaaaaaaaahhhhhh.

    I'm pretty sure you didn't grasp the meaning of that sentence.
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