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    Quote Originally Posted by killface View Post

    And of course one wants to see reactions in a debate.
    Oh, I see, an equivocation attempt.

    You accused me on being dishonest.
    I accused you of trolling, there is a difference.

    Devil's advocate is a example of being dishonest while aiding the discussion.
    Nope, you are wrong. Your actions, while using the Devil's advocate, can make the discussion dishonest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    The problem isn't that people don't want a healthier lifestyle they are not educated on how to do it. Their is a lot of wrong information out their such as eating fat will make you fat. I have a simple way of loosing weight don't put anything in your mouth that has more sugar than fiber. But it takes a lot of will power as sugar addiction is rampant and people don't see rock bottom.
    Holy crap I am actually going to try that. My weight loss progress has been slow and I fully attribute it to my sweet tooth a lack of self control. That being said I am still down 30lb from my heaviest.
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    When I wrote "This our dark times"

    I meant "This are dark times" what a stupid typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    I would agree but the drain on the health care system that they have does have a negative effect on us as a whole.
    I used to be convinced of this one, but now I'm not so sure. I bet a 50 year old employed taxpayer dying of a heart attack or complications of the 'beetus probably costs much less than an 85 year old who spent the last decade of his life in a nursing home drawing SS/Medicare.

    Of course we also lose all of that 50 year old guy's potential contributions to society, so it's a healthcare win but social/tax loss.

    Maybe we should just stop seeing people as lines on a balance sheet. I'd like to see people be healthier because I think they'd be less miserable, but I'm an outlier like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrGalt View Post
    Maybe we should just stop seeing people as lines on a balance sheet.
    Maybe the problem is that we don't. This can be done from a household, work and/or national perspective.

    In order to hold an asset on a balance sheet you are required to do a few things:

    1. Maintain an accurate record of it's initial and ongoing cost.
    2. Reflect a fair value based on it's current condition (highest and best use).
    3. Regularly test for impairment.

    i. If people were reminded about how much time, love, energy and yes, money, went into raising them and maintaining them as people maybe it could be a useful first step in fostering self-worth in those that are lacking. It might also be a good platform for addressing those that think the world owes them something.

    ii. Fair Valuing a person would be difficult but it stands to reason that a healthy, educated, experienced, socially connected and happy person is far more valuable to a family/employer/country. An initial valuation would also highlight the potential value within the asset versus where it currently stands.

    iii. Testing for impairment is also an evaluation for what can be improved to maintain/increase value. Things such as increasing health (diet/excercise), education etc. This would also help quantify a cost for not addressing short comings (you're depriving your family/friends/etc of $xxx by not getting your fat arse off the couch every now and then). Also constant re-evaluation highlights changes over time your actions (or lack of) is not only affecting you but those around you.


    tl;dr If as much time was invested in evaluating people as assets (their worth, value and potential) as an asset on a corporate balance sheet then I believe we would be addressing these issues in a far more comprehensive and effective manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judokarl View Post
    Holy crap I am actually going to try that. My weight loss progress has been slow and I fully attribute it to my sweet tooth a lack of self control. That being said I am still down 30lb from my heaviest.
    It will totally work, but you have to be super diligent and you have to check EVERYTHING you would be surprised at the crap they put sugar in. Even things like multi-grain bread will have more sugar and corn syrup in it than fiber. Your typically good with fruit even if the sugars are more than the fiber as long as you go light on the crazy sweat ones like dates.
    To help with craving control I have become a fan of the frozen banana. It can be blended up to approximate ice cream. One of my favorite snacks is a fozen banana blended with a table spoon or so of Peanut butter, 100% coca and unsweetened almond milk. The fat from the peanut butter and the sweetness of the banana are pretty satiating.
    Weight loss tip fiber and fat hit that spot so that you don't crave things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrGalt View Post
    I used to be convinced of this one, but now I'm not so sure. I bet a 50 year old employed taxpayer dying of a heart attack or complications of the 'beetus probably costs much less than an 85 year old who spent the last decade of his life in a nursing home drawing SS/Medicare.

    Of course we also lose all of that 50 year old guy's potential contributions to society, so it's a healthcare win but social/tax loss.

    Maybe we should just stop seeing people as lines on a balance sheet. I'd like to see people be healthier because I think they'd be less miserable, but I'm an outlier like that.
    I should be clear my statement has more to do with cost based on health care demand and less on say state funding or insurance cost of health care. The more people that need it the more scarce it is the harder it is to get in to see a health care provider.
    Its cool to be all ignore the numbers and all but the truth is their is a limited number of open health care spots at any given moment it is a resource much like water, land, or food. So its all and good to be all hippy about this **** until you need to wait in an emergency room long past your due and have to pay way more because some fat **** didn't take care of them selves.
    Don't get me wrong I am actually all for a state funded universal health care system, in fact its that belief that we as a society should take care of each other and achieve sustainable platforms for our needs. This is what pisses me off about these people, if you want society to help you, you better do everything you can to help yourself first.
    For **** sake we live in the age of information how fucking hard is it to learn what to do to not being a fucking land whale? Oh right people don't want to know the truth they want to believe they can shove what ever **** they want down their throat and its perfectly ok. Well **** if that is the case your not being a good member of society and society shouldn't have to take care of you.
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    In Ireland the gubberment is mooting a Sugar Tax

    A step in the right direction, especially if part of this new revenue stream was used to subsidise a 'healthy option' like fruit and veg
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    Quote Originally Posted by doofaloofa View Post
    In Ireland the gubberment is mooting a Sugar Tax

    A step in the right direction, especially if part of this new revenue stream was used to subsidise a 'healthy option' like fruit and veg
    Didn't mean to neg rep you, sounds like a reasonable solution to me.
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