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    For a a self-described Pedant you sure are missing a lot of details.
    Yes, I am a pedant staying on my topic. You keep adding details and creating straw man arguments out of my posts. My posts are not about building a structured argument, they are an explanation.

    Notice how respect comes up again? Do I really need to show you where you had a disconnect? It's actually quite funny because you inferred half the sentence correctly and then lost your lunch on another one.
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    Yes, I am a pedant staying on my topic. You keep adding details and creating straw man arguments out of my posts. My posts are not about building a structured argument, they are an explanation.

    Notice how respect comes up again? Do I really need to show you where you had a disconnect? It's actually quite funny because you inferred half the sentence correctly and then lost your lunch on another one.

    Hahahaha, the irony that he is now scouring his own shitty walls of text is fucking awesome.
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    You know I find when arguing with a pedant, that being precise and concise is far more effective.
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    Hahahaha, the irony that he is now scouring his own shitty walls of text is fucking awesome.
    He doesn't get where he fucked up.

    I told him two things:
    1) Don't be that guy, a rage quitting poster.
    2) Don't complain about respect when your first post's tone is full of sarcasm.


    Yep, after all of your dissertations (SARCASM):
    dis�ser�ta�tion
    noun \ˌdi-sər-ˈtā-shən\

    : a long piece of writing about a particular subject that is done to earn an advanced degree at a university
    Full Definition of DISSERTATION
    : an extended usually written treatment of a subject; specifically : one submitted for a doctorate
    I do enjoy the repeated use of Thesis and Dissertation, in your poor attempt at explaining that I am missing things. LOL. Next time, I'll use the word TIRADE to make you happy.
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    Couple of things before I respond to anybody directly...

    My post is huge because a) it posted twice, which was a screwup, and b) every word that IIF wrote in his posts directed at me is included verbatim. That means no searching through the thread for what was said where, because its all there in one post, and I can position my responses right there with the exact statements they relate to. If I say something was presented as opinion without supporting statements, its right by what will show it either was or it wasn't. If someone claims there is a misinterpretation, then the words are right there for a reader to form their own opinion.

    If somebody actually has the patience and interest to really read it then this eliminates a lot of pointless back and forth (I.e., "I never said...", "You're putting words in my mouth...", etc.).


    Second - Structure of a debate - generally speaking, there is a topic of some sort, at least two differing positions on that topic (otherwise it would be a speech), and information that relates to that position (otherwise its nothing but an opinion, which is fine to have but in and of itself has little persuasive power). When I refer to structure of an argument, in this context, I am referring to my portion of the debate...position on a topic that I then support in some way.

    I'm not trying to be condescending by writing out something so basic, but terms are being tossed back and forth here that may have different meanings to different people, so this is what I mean when I say these words.
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    You know, I find when arguing with a pedant...
    ...that you should be using your time productively?
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    First, your voluminous posts convey nothing of substance and only serve to
    a) stoke your own ego, and
    b) provide (AMUSING) evidence of your butthurt.
    Learn to be more concise.

    Second, a strawman, no matter how well structured, is not a structured argument.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Keslet View Post
    Couple of things before I respond to anybody directly...

    My post is huge because a) it posted twice, which was a screwup, and b) every word that IIF wrote in his posts directed at me is included verbatim. That means no searching through the thread for what was said where, because its all there in one post, and I can position my responses right there with the exact statements they relate to. If I say something was presented as opinion without supporting statements, its right by what will show it either was or it wasn't. If someone claims there is a misinterpretation, then the words are right there for a reader to form their own opinion.

    If somebody actually has the patience and interest to really read it then this eliminates a lot of pointless back and forth (I.e., "I never said...", "You're putting words in my mouth...", etc.).


    Second - Structure of a debate - generally speaking, there is a topic of some sort, at least two differing positions on that topic (otherwise it would be a speech), and information that relates to that position (otherwise its nothing but an opinion, which is fine to have but in and of itself has little persuasive power). When I refer to structure of an argument, in this context, I am referring to my portion of the debate...position on a topic that I then support in some way.

    I'm not trying to be condescending by writing out something so basic, but terms are being tossed back and forth here that may have different meanings to different people, so this is what I mean when I say these words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keslet View Post
    If I missed something let me know...I have no problem admitting to a mistake.
    We have, repeatedly, all we get is double talk, condescension, sophistry and pedantry from you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    He doesn't get where he fucked up.

    I told him two things:
    1) Don't be that guy, a rage quitting poster.
    2) Don't complain about respect when your first post's tone is full of sarcasm.


    Yep, after all of your dissertations (SARCASM):


    I do enjoy the repeated use of Thesis and Dissertation, in your poor attempt at explaining that I am missing things. LOL. Next time, I'll use the word TIRADE to make you happy.
    Yes, you are exactly right, those were the only two points you really made.

    And your contention is that "I" don't know where "I" "Fucked Up" because, what, I was unaware that those were your only points?

    ???

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Oh, this is too good! The guy who is so merciless in slamming everybody else for poor comprehension and misunderstanding just did a total, Epic, FAIL!

    Oh...Oh...Lord have Mercy...

    Okay, my whole "Dissertation" was really saying EXACTLY that, and then you trot out one of MY main points as what you think is YOUR Big WIN? I was getting all ready to baby step you through until I could get you to admit that you hadn't made ANY arguments to support MOST of the monkey **** flying out of your cage, which is the quintessential Bullshido of Debate...but you beat me to it and hand it to me on a silver platter!

    See, if you had just stuck to the two points you acknowledge making, I never would have written the post...the fact that you were totally unwilling to back up any of the other crap you kept throwing into the pot, as a Senior Staff Member for a website dedicated to eradicating Bullshitters???

    Come on man, you have got to see the irony in that!

    OMG my chest hurts from laughing man, hand to God!

    You probably still don't get it...Here, let me show you:

    " Quite frankly, your contribution to this discussion has been pretty much crap to this point, despite your apparent sense that you have generated some really AWESOME content! I mean, from here on out you keep referencing how I have been too stupid to understand the wisdom you have laid down. You havent made any kind of complex point yetyou really havent made any real points at all in the accepted sense What the **** do you think you have said that is so profound that any literate individual would have difficulty with the meaning? Simple statements of personal opinion with no support? Basically, from a debate standpoint, this is kindergarten level. "

    "Not a single example of you actually organizing an argumentpresenting a thesis you are going to argue, providing evidence to support the claim, an explanation of why the evidence supports the claim, and so forth (Purdue OWL). You have four posts in this thread in response to my engagement with it, and your net contribution to the debate? Not a damn thing of any real substance."


    Okay, okay, no one wants to read another wall of text, so I'll just put some relevant quotes at the end...read em or don't. In a nutshell, RAGE QUITTING was never an issue, IIF made an assumption, and the whole "complaining about tone" non-issue? The only one who kept bringing it up...WAS IIF! Take a look...all in response to his comments on it. I never really cared!



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    Post 150 - Sorry if it came across as raging, I'm not pissed, just not sure if I'm being trolled or not...

    Post 185 - I respect that he seems to sincerely believe what he's saying. That's why I'm still talking to him. Like I said before, if he was just trolling and being argumentative I would have moved on. He's not, so we're talking.

    So, RAGE and RAGE QUITTING? Never was an issue.

    TONE - As in 'Respectful' or no...
    Post 175 - IIF I didn't complain about tone in the quote you posted initially...I said he isn't presenting a consistent platform to debate.

    Post 190 - You are wrong about the "complaining about tone" issue, just flat out.

    Post 197 - Okay, so you weigh in with an opinion that I was sarcastic and disrespectful, oh so sarcastic, and having set the tone I shouldnt complain about it.

    Post 197 - Later, in post 191, you return to your misunderstanding of what I was doing by referencing my harping on snarkiness. One line in one long post (166) mentions Goodluns more respectful and COHERENT responses to PL, which was really the main issuethe respectful piece could be completely left out and the point still stands.

    Post 197 - Im sorry, what did I misunderstand that is explained by your explanation of context and direction of the dialogue? How does any of that relate to the complaining about tone issue? Im looking at what you wrote, its all listed abovenope, nothing there. I clearly understand that you thought I was sarcastic and disrespectful, which has nothing to do with whether you did or didnt say I was complaining about tone. This is total bullshit, a Non Sequitor where you have the appearance of logical structure but your own premises either dont hold up or simply dont exist.
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