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    Like I said

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    How can you decide that marketing is so bad it shouldn't even exist, but sports teams are good?
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    Quote Originally Posted by killface View Post
    So what is your point? Lots of devs provided value in their free time.
    Most dev projects that haven't found a way of being monetized do not make it out into society thus not changing ****. The small projects done in someones free time may enrich the lives of the dev and maybe a really small niche community. Value to society as a whole almost nil.

    Quote Originally Posted by killface View Post
    How do you want to accurately measure how much value one adds in his free time? Helping someone. Making art. All that.
    Most people are not enriching society in their free time. They are enriching their own lives. Case in point doing art for your own sake doesn't enrich society it sits on your wall. Once you sell it or donate it, it enters the 64 Billion $ art industry. It will be given a value. Really this **** isn't that hard. What you do for yourself isn't **** to society until you monetize it someway. You work out on your own time great makes you better. You dig ditches for a living? Well maybe you will make a little more and increase your roll in society. You sit at an office desk all day you being buff hasn't helped out too much sure when your neighbor needs to move they might be happy.

    Quote Originally Posted by killface View Post
    Yes some of the money for advertisement finds its way into doing good things, like sponsoring sports teams and the like but this is not a good point as if the money weren�t used for advertisement to begin with, it could have been used for something better, anyway.
    Such as? No really tell me oh great one what the business landscape and society as a whole would look like without ads? Please tell me what the Radio, Internet, Newspapers, Magazines and TV would be like.

    Quote Originally Posted by killface View Post
    Ok now this makes me really think I missed the sarcasm somewhere. Seriously? Some small inventor is going to successfully sue a globally operating mega corporation? Surely not in real life. Guess who can afford the overpriced lawyer.
    Really try looking up asymmetric litigation and patent trolls.


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    They still made outstanding contributions so yes they would be still famous.
    Cool without looking it up tell me what it is they contributed outside of their nobel prize work.

    Quote Originally Posted by killface View Post
    I would love it if the government managed my health. Seriously, I don�t want to bother with that ****. Tell me what to to eat, tell me when to exercise. Eating healthy and regularly and all that aint no easy. I want to occupy my mind with more important stuff. This sounds like Utopia for me. Humans are not good at making decisions so its good to only have to do the important and fun ones.
    Your an ass hole.
    But on a more serious note, this is just taxation of an harmful substance. Wont change the face of government in any way.[/QUOTE]
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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    That the free programs you use aren't really free; basic economics.
    TANSTAAFL? There ain't no such thing as a free lunch?

    Do you want to go that way? Doesn�t even matter for my point. Someone developing software in his free time is still adding value that cant be measured by looking at his income.


    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    Explain why you do this throughout the thread. Someone gives you a clear picture of their point and you make a key change to their argument.
    Key change? Is that some term I don�t know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    How can you decide that marketing is so bad it shouldn't even exist, but sports teams are good?
    Are you asking what authority I have to judge marketing? Well what are you expecting from someone to be able to judge marketing? Or is it just cheap rhetoric?

    Oh and banning advertisement of food could help against obesity. Seeing advertisement on food possibly makes people more hungry and more likely to eat more.

    I don�t know if the effect would be significant but it could be worth to perform a study (or maybe there are already) or experiment on it. (Just a random idea now that we talk about advertisement)
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    TANSTAAFL? There ain't no such thing as a free lunch?
    Fail.

    Do you want to go that way?
    You went that way when you changed his point, to fit the preselected argument you are using. I'm just following your trail.

    Doesn�t even matter for my point.
    Sure it does, but as usual, you don't care to be educated.

    Someone developing software in his free time is still adding value that cant be measured by looking at his income.
    I know, it addresses goodlun's point which started this mess. You just, as usual, took it sideways.


    Key change? Is that some term I don�t know?
    You know because you'll do it again below.

    Are you asking what authority I have to judge marketing? Well what are you expecting from someone to be able to judge marketing? Or is it just cheap rhetoric?
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    Quote Originally Posted by killface View Post

    Oh and banning advertisement of food could help against obesity. Seeing advertisement on food possibly makes people more hungry and more likely to eat more.
    Unlikely see this example
    http://www.nber.org/reporter/winter04/saffer.html
    Advertising of things of this nature changes what brands we eat and drink not our desire to do so.
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    interesting stuff from the APA well actually not that intresting as most of them are well duh moments
    http://www.apa.org/topics/kids-media/food.aspx?item=1
    Gee imagine that the more tv a kid watches the heavier they are.
    Gee imagine letting your kid pick what and when they will eat doesn't lead to the great choices who would have ever fucking imagined that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    Most dev projects that haven't found a way of being monetized do not make it out into society thus not changing ****. The small projects done in someones free time may enrich the lives of the dev and maybe a really small niche community. Value to society as a whole almost nil.
    Really just taking the obvious example of Linux proves that wrong. There is quite the value added by devs in their free time. Many big free software projects rely at least partly on work done by people in their free time.

    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    Most people are not enriching society in their free time. They are enriching their own lives. Case in point doing art for your own sake doesn't enrich society it sits on your wall. Once you sell it or donate it, it enters the 64 Billion $ art industry. It will be given a value. Really this **** isn't that hard. What you do for yourself isn't **** to society until you monetize it someway. You work out on your own time great makes you better. You dig ditches for a living? Well maybe you will make a little more and increase your roll in society. You sit at an office desk all day you being buff hasn't helped out too much sure when your neighbor needs to move they might be happy.
    You are part of society. Enriching yourself means enriching society. And no not all art gets monetized. Lets just look at writing. Someone can write many stories in his free time that can entertain quite the lot of people and so provide value for them. Still nothing enters the money-making sphere ever. Sure he can later try to build on his fame and sell books but that is another story. The things he wrote stay free.

    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    Such as? No really tell me oh great one what the business landscape and society as a whole would look like without ads? Please tell me what the Radio, Internet, Newspapers, Magazines and TV would be like.
    I don�t think there is any nation where ads are completely forbidden, so I cant know for sure. Media would probably more heavier rely on donation and be more costly. There would be less but higher quality. Not being dependent on the will of advertisement clients, the news would be somewhat better. The government would also pay a greater role in financial support, which could result in more culturally rich content.


    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    Really try looking up asymmetric litigation and patent trolls.
    I know a bit about patent trolling but will need to read up about asymmetric litigation so will respond later.


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    Cool without looking it up tell me what it is they contributed outside of their nobel prize work.
    Cant do but I don�t know much about their field so that doesn�t mean anything.

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    Your an ass hole.
    What exactly did offend you?

    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    Unlikely see this example
    http://www.nber.org/reporter/winter04/saffer.html
    Advertising of things of this nature changes what brands we eat and drink not our desire to do so.
    Interesting, will read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killface View Post
    Really just taking the obvious example of Linux proves that wrong. There is quite the value added by devs in their free time. Many big free software projects rely at least partly on work done by people in their free time.
    So, give us YOUR example... this is your argument, after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killface View Post
    Really just taking the obvious example of Linux proves that wrong. There is quite the value added by devs in their free time. Many big free software projects rely at least partly on work done by people in their free time.
    Linux is big business
    Red Hat Revenue $1.13 billion (2012)
    Yellow Dog (Fixstars Solutions) Revenue 50 Million
    Canonical Ltd (Unbuntu) Revenue 30 Million
    I really can go on but lets be clear most of the Dev work being done for Linux is being done by people drawing a Salary to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by killface View Post
    And no not all art gets monetized.
    No **** most art doesn't and it doesn't enter society either. Having a live journal or deviant art account doesn't make it enter society either. It has to be consumed by society. Me drawing something that nobody looks at has not enhanced society.

    Quote Originally Posted by killface View Post
    Lets just look at writing. Someone can write many stories in his free time that can entertain quite the lot of people and so provide value for them. Still nothing enters the money-making sphere ever. Sure he can later try to build on his fame and sell books but that is another story. The things he wrote stay free.
    Cool show me all this free writing that isn't being monetized but is widely available to society at large?

    Quote Originally Posted by killface View Post
    I don�t think there is any nation where ads are completely forbidden, so I cant know for sure. Media would probably more heavier rely on donation and be more costly. There would be less but higher quality. Not being dependent on the will of advertisement clients, the news would be somewhat better. The government would also pay a greater role in financial support, which could result in more culturally rich content.
    See you don't know ****. Virtually all content would be behind some form of a pay wall and the wall would be extraordinarily expensive. Consumption of media would be at a staggering low. Worse yet the income disparity in access to information would grow greatly.
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