Thread: Is the IBJJF Boston Open Rigged?
8/16/2013 9:52am, #31
8/16/2013 9:59am, #32
- Join Date
- Mar 2006
So, to me it seems like exposing this type of issue is right in line with the Bullshido mission.
But, I must admit I'm a little confused. This is hard to follow for me and I'm sure for others who aren't familiar with IBJJF politics.
Could somebody in the know put together a list of bullet points or some type of summary outlining the problems? It might make it easier for us regular Joes to get behind. It seems like a problem that should be addressed.
8/16/2013 10:01am, #33
As for the Globtrotter business I wouldn't know. I have never heard of them.
I don't really care about the IBJJF; I actually don't like them. I don't like their rules, I don't like their politics, and I don't care for the business practices. I support the other tournaments with promoters that actually look out for the competitors. Where the tournaments are actually open. Where it matters more about your skill on the mat than the school you're affiliated with.
It just sucked when my students want to compete in a IBJJF "Open" tournament and I have to tell them that I'm not an IBJJF affiliated so they can't compete. I took my daughter to an Open Judo tournament. Nobody asked for my affiliation. That's an open tournament. AAU tournament you have to get their insurance. This is not what the IBJJF is doing. If they want to just say this is an IBJJF tournament "World Champion, Mundials" etc. That's fine but it's not open and IMO not even a World Championship unless you let everybody compete.
8/16/2013 10:27am, #34
1) the sale of belts by legit instructors to unqualified people - this is very hard to fight, and has plagued other arts as well. the only solution to this is to have truly open tournaments and judge people by their successes and those of their students. this works OK for judo, as while there are frauds out there with purchased belts, tournaments usually show what's up. in the end *most* judo black belts have the skills they claim, so there is still validity to the rank.
2) extortion of money from *qualified* people in order to attain rank - this is really shady, and seems like the kind of thing that *can* be dealt with by shining a bight light on the practice and making a lot of noise. someone needs to get caught with video/audio evidence and made an example of.
3) running "open" tournaments that are not really open, and using them as a way to enforce the extortion above."Face punches are an essential character building part of a martial art. You don't truly love your children unless you allow them to get punched in the face." - chi-conspiricy
"When I was a little boy, I had a sailor suit, but it didn't mean I was in the Navy." - Mtripp on the subject of a 5 year old karate black belt
"Without actual qualifications to be a Zen teacher, your instructor is just another roundeye raping Asian culture for a buck." - Errant108
"Seriously, who gives a **** what you or Errant think? You're Asian males, everyone just ignores you, unless you're in a krotty movie." - new2bjj
8/16/2013 10:47am, #35
8/16/2013 11:11am, #36
The ultimate problem is that in exchange for rank, these people are asking for things that they have no rights to and that are unrelated to my progression in the art of Brazilian Jiujitsu. 2,000 dollars has nothing to do with my progress in the art. The name of my team has nothing to do with my progress in the art. The business arrangement between my employer and is not something that they're entitled to examine or to control. I do business honestly and ethically and they have no rights to my assets or earnings. Respect and recognition of the rank I've earned is not a service that needs to be purchased. Respect is basic.
As for Globetrotters, why should I join another team? Why should I sign my students over to another instructor? Why should I go back a belt? Why should I have my rank FROZEN at brown? Because I didn't pay Carlos Gracie Jr his bribe? But 2k and all of a sudden I'm a black belt? That's how rank works?
We're getting reports from all over the world of massive belt sales, rank freezes, demotions, and cash grabs. The reason why they're forcing the registration of black and brown belts is to gain access to the assets of independent businessmen.
8/17/2013 9:54am, #37
- Join Date
- Jul 2005
I think it's time for a formal article/write up on the IBJJF that documents their practices and some of the incidents alluded to above.
8/18/2013 4:05pm, #38
As it stands, the head of the IBJJF is also the head owner of the largest affiliation gym in the sport, Gracie Barra. Talk about a conflict of interest.
8/18/2013 7:25pm, #39
Honestly J, we all know you are in the right. You just need to document a few things to protect both yourself and the website from lawyers.
8/18/2013 7:38pm, #40