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    Quote Originally Posted by brclry View Post
    Yes absolutly, but I dont think the converse is true. Good hip torque on kicks, does not set up strong punches, sure you can throw a hard cross after a round kick, but if the emphasis is on the cross, that round kick is better off being less committed so the cross gets there faster. I am admittedly drawing on my own limited experience here.
    step forwards after the kick and you have a hard cross. Sometimes it is the better option some time it is not.
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    So it's "be Randy Couture" but with an irrational distaste for knee strikes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by brclry View Post
    Like a heavy bag critique, please feel free to tear my pretend logic apart. I posted this on a website in a WC thread, and wanted to see what Bullshido thinks. Yes I am aware of Caged Muay Thai.

    Will a Wing Chun Fight Strategy work in MMA?
    I think that is a better question, because the techniques are built around the strategy. The thing that makes it effective is training method, but you can get less than efficient technique, and poor strategy to work with the right training method.
    So can we just assume a high quality training method when asking this question?

    What is a Wing Chun Fight Strategy?
    Punch and Clutch
    1. Hit
    2. Seek attachment with the first hit, preferably while immobilizing the opponants lead striking tools, and disrupting their balance.
    3. stay attached, keep the immobilization, get to a dominant position that allows you to continue striking.
    4. if the attachment is lost, wash rinse, repeat.
    Sounds kinda like how a muay thai person with a monster clinch game would fight right?
    . . . Before asking these questions, had you spent any time looking at WC in a cage or otherwise matched against a fully-resisting non-chun opponent? And if so, had you seen why the techniques and strategies it provides as a system have been consistently ineffective in this sort of context?

    I have seen a few videos of WC practitioners going full-contact on Youtube, and have some personal experience training with a few chunners. . . And the feeling I get is that:

    1. The centerline-control focus impedes effective application of technique in an alive/committed setting.

    2. The body mechanics (including the stance and the particulars of the techniques) prevents and reduces power generation.

    3. The focus on sticky hands and trapping in training, while potentially useful, does not provide the sort of control in the clinch that the training in Muay Thai and wrestling can. Part of this is due to the focus, part of this due to the techniques themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brclry View Post
    Will a Wing Chun Fight Strategy work in MMA?
    Seeing as WC has performed badly in MMA pretty much universally I'd say no.
    "Won't fight me in the ring? Don't fight me on the street."
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    Forget about the wing chun theory for a second. Think about how it works in *practice*.

    Here is a video of two very high level practitioners of WC fighting.



    When it comes down to it, when they need to get the job done they resort to basic judo. If the grand master of one of the biggest WC groups doesn't use tactics like you have described, why do you - someone with much less WC experience - think they are a good idea?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrackFox View Post
    When it comes down to it, when they need to get the job done they resort to basic judo.
    That is nowhere near the level of basic judo.

    There is an unintentionally awesome clip out there, ostensibly from a Boztepe nuthanger, which is the above fight, in slowmo, interrupted with commentary about how each pratfall is a brilliant display of his superior understanding of teh Chunz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ermghoti View Post
    That is nowhere near the level of basic judo.
    By basic, I mean they're not doing anything you wouldn't find in regular judo. It's clumsy, but it's still basically ushiro-goshi to side control to scarf-hold. Whereupon there is a bit of face-punching. OK, you wouldn't get the punching in judo, but the rest of it is there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrackFox View Post
    When it comes down to it, when they need to get the job done they resort to basic judo.
    Hey, my mcdojo pratfalls were basic jodo YES!!!

    Seriously, don't give chunners or apparently some JKDers anymore ideas.
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    Ok, how about "a shitty approximation of basic judo"?

    My point is that when WC masters need to throw down, they don't WC. I'm assuming it's because they know enough about WC to know it's not suitable for fighting.
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    Ok, how about "a shitty approximation of basic judo"?
    I believe the accepted term is "crappling."
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