7/30/2013 7:08pm, #41
Described as dangerous for a larger stronger person to do (danger of neck injury to opponent).
As a judoka, I could see this working, again, depending on context. If you can get a guys head back, they will be off balance for a moment, or recoil forward for a forward throw (action reaction), twisting the head (not legal or safe in Judo), would work better, but the lower body will need to be held in place, hence the step to the outside a la' Osoto Gari.Falling for Judo since 1980
7/30/2013 8:34pm, #42
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Is them niggas really wearing Lone Ranger masks? lol.
I don't know, the chin thing just reminds me too much of ninjers. The chin strike followed by downward eyeball gouges is a Hatsumi staple.
To me, it seems like this is an either/or type of thing. Either a strike or a takedown. Not both. If I'm striking the chin I'm driving through and I'd have to reset in order to be in position to use it as a takedown. If I intend to use it as a takedown it would be more of a forceful grab and push of the chin instead of a strike.
7/31/2013 1:11pm, #43
One thing that Perma brought up with the chop that I forgot about was the thumb position. The way he says to do it with the thumb up seems like a bad idea. Every time I've tried it, my other fingers want to open up too. Which would be bad. Tucking the thumb in is a better idea because it makes you want to keep the hand tight.
He says in his description that the distance it will travel will be less than 6 inches. So it seems to be used more of an uppercut than anything else. Not really what Bas was talking about with palm strikes. Also interesting that he mentions keeping the fingers extended towards the eye, but ends with that. Nothing on trying to rake the eyes. So was that mentioned just as a way to keep the fingers out of the way, and nothing more?
I think it would work best just as a method to push and control the head. Not using it as a strike, necessarily.
7/31/2013 8:42pm, #44
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I'm pretty "meh" about this technique. I have thrown people like this, but not people that knew anything. I'm actually cool with the strike part. I think of it as more jjj atemi than a strike intended to do damage.
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7/31/2013 8:57pm, #45
Works great if you know beforehand that an overhand right is coming through.Dum spiro, spero.
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8/01/2013 5:30am, #46
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Yeah, the chin-jab looks somewhat like a technique in JJK, which functions as a takedown ending in a joint lock; while I haven't actually used it in a real-life situation, it seems to have potential when used with sufficient force on an opponent who wasn't expecting to get taken down. There's a separate technique in the curriculum that is more or less identical, but also uses the suggested O Soto-reap, which seems more high-percentage to me.
8/01/2013 5:41am, #47
We also learned the chin jab/push into Osotogari in Fanchento (JKD/Judo/JJJ hybrid thing). IIRC it was:
Parry incoming strike, drive palm up under chin, walk forward and reap.
Parry incoming strike and grab striking arm, twist hips and pull arm while driving palm under chin and reaping.
Never really worked for me, always found it much easier to reap from under/overhooks.
8/01/2013 6:44am, #48
From a push, osoto perspective I like to grab the middle of the face and not muck around with the chin.
Covers their eyes and I think I just get more head movement.
The strike is more moonslap style.
If I am going to uppercut I will uppercut.Whitsunday Martial Arts Airlie Beach North Queensland.
8/01/2013 11:39am, #49
The guy's lower body is going to have to be pinned unless the grab is done very hard and very fast...just like you can't do Osoto Gari without upper body control, it's a "couple" throw.Falling for Judo since 1980
8/01/2013 11:59am, #50
Similar Technique in Judo Goshin Jutsu
Here is an application of something similar in the Goshin Jutsu of Kodokan Judo.
Armed Attack - Stick
Furiage - upswing against a stickFuriage
Attacker steps back with his right foot, raises the stick with the right hand preparing to deliver a blow. As attacker brings the stick back to strike, defender steps in, blocking the attacking arm with the left hand, delivering a palm strike to the chin and throwing attacker backward with right osotogari.
Here is a video. Skip to 28:40 for Furiage.
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