Unless they change the ruleset to give more points for "takedowns", it won't go too far I think. There has to be some sort of incentive.
Originally Posted by Devil
Falling for Judo since 1980
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Originally Posted by BKR
I try to look at things from a self defense perspective too. **** getting slammed. Better to be the slammer than the slammee. That's incentive enough in my book.
"On your back" is the best scoring position in BJJ rules at most of the lighter weights, statistically speaking. That's why you see guys playing footsie from the double guard pull, sweeping is easier than passing and nobody is fool enough to concede take-down points. IMO this is an unfortunate direction for the sport and rules should do much more to reflect top position and encourage wrestling from the feet. However it is the state of the rules, and will remain so as long as they change substantially, that a competent all-around wrestling game isn't necessary to succeed at them, though it certainly doesn't hurt.
Originally Posted by Devil
Everything else you said is true. To actually use your Jiu jitsu is any more open rule set, wrestling helps like a mother-fucker.
Yeah, makes sense.
Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn
Yes it has. I've experienced it on a personal level and I've seen it's impact at competitions.
For me personally I was a buttflopping guard puller and I lost a match because I couldn't in anyway submit the guy and he could take me down whenever. I've worked on developing a takedown game that can work in MMA/BJJ. It has certainly made a difference in that I now can have a say in where I fight from.
Also you don't always have to "wrestle" from your feet. If I pull guard and the guy is posturing in closed guard too much but I can't hip bump them over, I can create space, stand in base or butterfly guard, and shoot a power double while they are on their knees or low single if they are standing. I've used it over and over in the last couple of years as a "sweep", it works amazingly well.
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Guess it depends on your BJJ school cause my Gracie gym teaches wrestling techniques as part of the curriculum and to my knowledge have been doing so for years.
Hey, you know what works better than BJJ and wrestling?
Originally Posted by DKJr
Cross training in both.
Originally Posted by jnp
Originally Posted by danharr
That's not quite what I'm getting at, though. Lots of BJJ schools teach wrestling techniques. My son's school teaches wrestling techniques. That doesn't necessarily make them capable of stuffing a skilled wrestler's takedowns. Just like BJJ schools usually incorporate Judo throws but they still tend to get tossed when they face a decent Judoka.
I think a couple people made good points about wrestling only having a limited influence on BJJ because of the ruleset. On the other hand, I can totally see the advantage a couple of the others say they've experienced due to their wrestling. That's what I was seeing when I watched the kids.
Anyway, the different perspectives you guys have are interesting.
In my very limited experience, BJJ guys seem more likely to try for a takedown, feel resistance, and switch to something else, while wrestlers seem more likely to try for a takedown, feel resistance, and continue driving forward until the opponent's posture/balance is defeatable.
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